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29 March 2010

Jump/dunk session.
Weight@session : ~187
Conditions : night , ~18' celsium , jumping on concrete , 9'8'' rim.

Dynamic warmup 5' , bunch of low/mid effort jumps.
1x4 SVJs : avg = max = 27+ , easily.
1x4 RVJs : avg = 31'' , max = 32'' , "springy" feeling came back.

And then... i did like 40 to 50 dunk attempts!!!
Performance wouldnt decrease , shins wouldnt hurt , and i kept missing hard dunks , so i got pissed and lost sense of time.
Eventualy performance decreased , otherwise id still be there!
Vids coming soon, still gathering material , have one more dunk session planed for Thirsday...


damn nice, that's ALOT of jumps before dropping off.. good stuff.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: March 29, 2010, 11:13:39 pm »
Next time, don't hit your camera, you should instead hit a stone wall; it's a lot more efficient in breaking your hand, plus you wont fuck up your camera. ;)

when did i hit my camera? wtf? :)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: March 29, 2010, 11:13:08 pm »
just watched it.
7:42 is pure awesomness. I just love those one handed combos. They worked pretty well for me back when in the days I was into martial arts.
Overall, good quickness, good combos, much better then the last time I saw you (and I remember you were not bad at all!).
Just try some metal/rock next time:p

thanks man, i appreciate it..

i will get u a 'metal round', i'll focus on only throwing HARD combos the whole round.. since just thinking about listening to metal gives me thats how i would react to it.

:D

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Along those lines of monitoring fatigue, another thing you can do is measure a particular movement or skill throughout a training week to see where you're at compared to baseline.  The supercompensation curve can work off weekly cumulative fatigue as well.  For example, the split I mentioned the other day went like this:

Mon 5 x 1 @ 85%
Tues: 5 x 1 @ 90%
Wed: 5 x 1 @ 95%
Thurs: off
Fri: 5 x 1 @ 80% (very easy)
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Well you know if you can't get wednesdays 95% weight up or if it's really a struggle you're fatigued 5% from baseline, which is really perfect, because you basically have thursday thru sunday off to supercompensate.  You could literally take a particular movement and do it every single day fresh until you reach a predetermined "drop-off" point, measured by how much your fresh efforts change on a daily basis, then take some time off to recover and supercompensate.  During the recovery period, you have to do enough to maintain fitness and movement efficiency, but the focus is generally on recovery.  

The amount of fatigue you want to induce though will vary based on the quality:

strength work: 5-10%
power work: (VJ/10 yd dash) 3-5%
top speed:  0-3%

So, take a movement like depth jumps. Say you have a 30 inch unmotivated VJ. An effort you can do any time.  You decide to do depth jumps every day until your VJ drops off a fresh 3% (or about 1 inch) So everyday you do depth jumps and every day you monitor your VJ.  
 
On day 1 you first measure your VJ then do 20 depth jumps (or simply do them until you start to dropoff)

you do the same on day 2
do the same on day 3
do the same on day 4

You keep doing that until one day your fresh (unmotivated) VJ is only 29 inches.  It might take 1 day, might be 2 days, or might be an entire week or longer.  But once you hit that point it mean's your "system" has accumulated 3% fatigue, so  you then take a lower volume period so that you can supercompensate.  That lower volume period will generally be as long as the number of days it took you to get in the hole, or you can just use the rule of 3rds described above.

That approach will work, however, it kinda sux for scheduling because you don't know what you're gonna be doing tomorrow or the next day or further on in the week.  It also sux if you're doing anything else during a workout or week that might interfere with your ability to monitor fatigue.  So what you can do is experiment and use enough intensity and volume each workout to know you'll be fairly close to fatiguing on a certain schedule.  The drop-offs don't have to be perfect and the schedules don't have to be perfect, as long as the general concepts hold up.   Take that little template I mentioned above:

Mon 5 x 1 @ 85%
Tues: 5 x 1 @ 90%
Wed: 5 x 1 @ 95%
Thurs: off
Fri: 5 x 1 @ 80% (very easy)
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

It can generally be assumed that after performing a given movement at an increasing intensity for 3 days straight that some level of fatigue will have accumulated in most people.  That makes the schedule viable for most, but others may need to adjust it as some will accumulate too much fatigue while some not enough.  In general it holds up though.

You can also base fatigue off of general accumulative nervous system stress.  Fatigue cycles can be over days, weeks, or even months.    You can monitor it thru hormone levels, heart rate variability (omega wave does this), and a ton of other things.  But the general principles are the same.  I think the weekly cycles are cool and easy to grasp for most people.  I'm pretty sure that's what Jay Schroeder does.  He goes 3 on 1 off, 3 on-2 off doing the same stuff every day.  

It is amazing what the body can tolerate/adapt to given 2 consecutive days mostly off at the end of a week/cycle.  

There are some posts/articles by Glenn Pendlay over on the DB forum that talk about how he does this with his o-lifters using monthly cycles.  Basically 5 x 5  three x per week for 4-6 weeks followed by 3 x 3 once every 4th-th day for 4 weeks.

great post man.. I like the idea of performing an exercise, consecutively until drop off. I think I did that by feel during my second high freq experiment, come to think of it. I would just basically alternate squat/lunge or perform them each, for who knows how many days 2-5 etc, until a session was alot less powerful, then i'd rest for 1-2 days and I'd be flying.

I like the idea of measuring it definitively though, alot easier to "coach it" over the internet that way too. Most of the frequency stuff I've prescribed has been in person, which is very easy for me, knowing the athlete, to get a feel for how they are fatigue wise.




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One more thing: I'm with you Andrew as far as monitoring intra-session drop-offs for power/speed work.  In my experience it was more trouble then it was worth.  Rather, I'd terminate a workout as soon as their as any drop-off at all, as once workout quality has declined the positive training effect is pretty well done too.

ya, definitely.


peace man

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Boxing / Re: Shadow boxing videos
« on: March 29, 2010, 06:26:30 am »
EDIT: this shit is whack check the vid below, i was just vibin in this vid.

shadow boxing from tonight, 2 out of the 4 (4 min) rounds:

trance song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM&fmt=22

rap song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM&fmt=22#t=3m55s



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM</a>

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Boxing / Shadow boxing videos
« on: March 29, 2010, 06:26:22 am »
Post any shadow boxing vids in here.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: March 29, 2010, 06:22:11 am »
shadow boxing from tonight, 2 out of the 4 (4 min) rounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM&fmt=22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM&fmt=22#t=3m55s

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHf5-Z_gJM</a>

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: March 29, 2010, 05:51:26 am »
3/28/2010

bw 165 lololoolloolool

couldn't stop pissing today, ate tons of banananas and milk, that wrecked me up


4 rounds shadow boxing:
- got two on vid
- speed was pretty good, pace was a little lower than what i wanted
- rained made me move the cam, got me a better angle tho, but then i moved it 2 other times and those angles sucked


RFI: 3 rotations


rfi pullup:
- 20,20,25

rfi pushup:
- 30,30,35

MR tuck jump:
- damn these were very bouncy
- 30,30,30
- they get your heart rate up soo much

stiff leg ankle hops:
- 10,10,10
- felt good, left achilles-area felt it a little so stopped it at 10
- got some nice bound, felt my quads finally locking up

single leg squat variation low-hops:
- 40 each leg, 3x
- make hammy burn



peace

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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: The Squat Thread
« on: March 29, 2010, 05:43:56 am »
50.7

thanks!




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Program Review / Re: JackM Split
« on: March 29, 2010, 04:14:08 am »

why rhythmic? any reason? I personally prefer resetting between reps, dipping down and rising as explosively as possible.

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Wednesday- Normal warmup-
high pogo jumps or something similar 3 sets of 5
Low volume (4-10) of max jumps 2LRVJ at rim/dunks
** Not sure if i should include max jumps on this day or not, any thoughts?

going to have to go by feel on that one, not sure how you will respond after that monday workout.. The dj's should have you balling but im not sure how jump squat + squat + GHR will affect it, even tho squat/ghr is light.. i'd imagine you would feel ok though, as long as hammies don't get toasted.


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Friday- Normal warmup-
high pogo jumps or something similar 3 sets of 5
high volume (12-20) of max jumps at rim/dunks + ISO stim extension complexes

thoughts??

you should definitely be recovered by now.

get some dunks or PR jumps on friday man!!!!


peace

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Performance Training Blog / Re: Maximum Strength Effort Method
« on: March 28, 2010, 09:46:23 pm »
Nice article man. One interesting thing about that and a good example of how things sometimes get lost in translation is that's the original max effort method espoused by westside barbell, but I think most people interpret their version a bit differently. It can be tough when you read a bunch of different strength/performance texts because different researchers from different countries will often use different names and slightly different variations.  For example, the brief maximal tension method is much the same but I think you'll hear that from German researchers. I believe Bompa calls his the mxs method or something similar.

thanks mang.

Well the main difference is the rest between resp. West side's max effort days include sets of singles, doubles, or triples. They mention their ME days are extremely fatiguing etc, but from what I've found, MSEM with rest between reps is hardly that. They don't generally psyche up on ME days, which is good, but the multi-rep lifting definitely takes it's toll and requires that 72 hour recovery.

From what I see on sites/youtube, their ME method has become radically different. People want to rep shit out too. The thought of only performing singles with rest in between reps, would leave most people completely baffled. So ya, it's no wonder their ME days have changed so much. Also, they have hundreds of variations for their ME lifts. As far as performance goes, I don't see that as being a good thing. I don't even know where they got that? Accommodation can certainly happen, but there's just way too many variations of shit.

One thing I always found funny, is that WSB guys consider box jumps as shock. Well, they list it as a form of shock training. That is the furthest thing from shock that I can even think of.

Have you ever noticed that?

Louie makes some pretty funny claims, sometimes I wonder if he's a serial exaggerator. He has helped a ton of people out so I'm not trashing him, but some of the "performance" stories he mentions to promote his system, just seem unfounded.

pc man

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Olympic Weightlifting / Benjamin Hennequin
« on: March 28, 2010, 08:31:27 pm »
Seriously jacked legs...









Viva La France!

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Yeah, I wouldn't mind learning more about "methods' of fatigue management.
Would you be able to elaborate on this some more Andrew? Possibly provide some sample guidelines? or what to look for? ie When is optimal to change phases, signs of too much fatigue or not enough.

Ya I should do a better write up on it and post it, I'll get around to it. Not sure how I would structure it, at this point, since i've moved from trying to calculate those things, to basically just using "feel" to cut sessions short or to go hard etc.

If you wanted to measure fatigue created by a session, you could use the drop off method & rule of thirds:

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http://inno-sport.net/Training%20Basics.htm



Ok so, I went from caring about measuring to just going by feel. I've taken enough measurements to know that, if I perform low volume + high intensity lifts, such as a squat, I will be peaking 48-72 hours after. One tool I use to make sure I'm firing on all cylinders, is a stop watch. I can't find it atm but, it's a great brand for doing the "stopwatch double click". I'll double click it in the morning a bunch of times, based on these readings I know how I will be performing that day, so it helps me measure my "freshness". If i'm getting 0.07-0.1 on most of the double clicks, then I know I will be firing on all cylinders. If i'm > 0.1, then I know I still have some level of fatigue. This could either help me delay the workout to the next day, OR do some kind of light recovery workout (such as light jumps/glute stuff etc).

So, stuff I'll use for creating a nice delayed supercompensation effect of 48-72 hours on my vert:
  • Singles, doubles, or triples on squat: dropping off on bar speed or "feeling tired"
  • 4x5 depth jumps: Check my instant RFD part I for the graphs


I'll also make use of those things, in concentration, for blocks etc, to get an overall effect. I'll post my 2-week squat routine thing tonight, that's a good example of it. I've used that routine on myself and for a few others with great results. It's just a out of nowhere really concentrated strength block with skill maintenance, then you just fly out of it for a few weeks.

As for volumnous lifting, I have no "supercompensation technique" for performance. Meaning, if someone is doing 3x5, 3x8, 4x10, etc, the focus is on hypertrophy/strength, so I'm not really looking at supercompensation performance wise. To break out of that fatigue rut in such a block, I'd use multiple sessions of MSEM (squat singles), for about say 1-2 a week for 1-2 weeks. That would effectively help break you out of that fatigue rut, in a very short period of time. Much better than all of these complete deloads I see people doing.

Sorry for not posting more, I need to do a proper write up on this stuff. Plus I have to go I'll bbl, but I'll put that 2-week squat routine thing up & the results it had with one of the people I trained.



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I know in Supertraining, Siff went into concentrated loading a bit, and different 'Strengths' ie explosive, acceleration, starting, absolute, max, etc, they would all decrease for a certain time and then rebound for up to a few months, and then you keep repeating this.

Ya man.. except, Absolute/Max can actually improve, because the time it takes to perform these lifts is long. Explosive strength (accel/starting) will definitely decrease for the most part, during concentrated loading. It may spike out of nowhere during a few sessions, but then it'll drive back down. Taking advantage of that rebound is then the key. You don't necessarily have to keep repeating this, but it can be done. Concentrated loading blocks can really take it's toll, so if you don't chain them together, the key would be to NOT detrain during the next gpp/strength block etc. The quality of the work would have to be better than the last time you performed gpp/strength, can't let it regress. Chaining concentrated loading blocks is definitely possible though, I mean I basically did it when I performed my first high frequency squat experiment (1 month), then realized gains for another month or so, then went back on high frequency (new protocol) for about 2 months if I recall correctly.

peace man

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Well, it worked just as you wrote above for me.
At the beginning, the strenght gains transfer into vert was quite significant. I was surprised to the point I actually thought I could have focused only on lifting hard and see results despite neglecting everything else. Then my vert kinda plateaued a bit. So I went into your "power-strenght" routine, doing some stuff I never did before and cutting the volume with the weights in order to be fresh + stim two days before a dunk session and I was able to jump like never before. So, basing on my personal experience, I can only say your words are gold. Period.

thanks, I was real happy that stuff was working so well for you :F

ya I remember, you had a great string of PR's with some very nice throw downs.

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Anyway, I'm actually training Upper body-core-doing calf raises right now.
 ;)

nothing more than that though.

nice..

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I should have my MRI next week, so keep your fingers crossed for me.

ya man I definitely am.. hope you don't need surgery.

pc

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MOVIES & ENTERTAINMENT & SHeeT! / Re: Rise of the Footsoldier
« on: March 28, 2010, 04:45:33 pm »
Cool, never seen or heard of it.

I like the "snapshots" they do in film, snatch probably did it the best. It's a good technique.

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