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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: The GUILT/SCARE you into going/staying vegan thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 07:13:53 pm »uh, nice thread.
i've been vegetarian (lacto/ovo) for years now. I think one day i'll make the switch to vegan. I became a vegetarian because I believed animals were sentinent and it was selfish of me to endorse the suffering that meat comes along with AND i figured I could meet all my nutritional needs being veggie easily - which i can. Now the jumpt veganism is a lot more difficult in terms of organising your nutrition, getting adequate protein, b12, iron etc but its 100% possible. So thus now my laziness (and love of cheese) is more important to me than animal suffering.
You introduced me to the whole lacto-ovo stuff a while back, I haven't done much research in this area. I'm trying to become more ovo-vegan but, it's rough. I definitely have to cut out milk/cheese as much as possible, it definitely impacts how I feel/cramp for running. 100%.
As for chicken, I just still crave it. I've had it several times recently and it feels like it "really helps".
As for whey, I don't feel like it helps at all. Eggs/Chicken yes, Whey no. There's just a major difference in how I feel/think when I cut out animal products. I literally become more depressed etc, it's interesting -> I also get erm.. ED & such. Once I add back eggs or chicken, boom i'm ok again.
So, right now i'm trying to cut out meat completely, and chicken for the most part. As for eggs, i'm trying to make those my "main source", ie ~4 eggs ~5d/wk. It's incredible how strong I feel when I eat eggs. Which is something I also noticed back when I dunked. I used to eat LOTS of eggs & bananas. Just seems to work great for me.
I also feel very strong when I eat red meat/steak & such too .. but, sometimes it can wreck my stomach similar to milk/dairy, just weighs me down. AND, i'd like to cut that source out so..
octo-(occasional-poultry)-vegan :/
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also i was so obsessed with eating meat to get my protein a few years back but even if you couldn't meet your 'protein requirements' for the physique/athletic ability you desire....you're still putting your ability to be strong or jump higher or look good and get girls above animal suffering...kinda fucked.
ya that's an interesting thought, which I got several times recently & it bugged me. I thought about it alot after I ate those full rack of ribs basically two days in a row after my ultra relay. It really bothered me.
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I'm SUPER excited for lab grown meat, its gonna revolutionise this whole thing. SURELY it's easier to make lab grown milk/whey than it is to make meat though?
I know there are lots of vegan options out there now. maybe when I will have more money and can convince myself through that I will go vegan or at least consume way less/more ethical dairy.
The US definitely seems worse than the UK/eu in terms of mass production farming too.
if you're gunna eat meat hunting wild meat is the most ethical, but thats just not gonna become mainstream anytime soon and the numbers just dont work
As far as I can see it there is literally no ethical argument for eating meat... unless you truly believe animals are not sentinent...I think future humans will look back on what we've done to animals the last few 100 (1000?) years in disgust, they won't be able to even fathom how we could be so cruel and selfish.
gah no hate to all the meat eaters on here hahaha --- that got pretty ranty, but just been thinking about this a lot recently
good stuff!
also as far as strength/power/physique go, you've proven lacto-ovo-vegan works well!
watch failure + slight cold: group run @ Markham Park: 4.5 mi warmup, (3,3,2) mi w/ 0.5 mi jog rest @ {6:17, 6:15, 6:16} + {6:19, 6:19, 7:05 (cramp life)} + {6:23, 6:37}, cooldown miles (cramp life again) ::: GREAT SESSION!! Also: TEAMWORK.
