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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1845 on: April 11, 2019, 12:08:03 am »
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This is a thing. Throwing an oop is a skill .. ive had one PG i met for the first time who nailed it and it was refreshing. They make it seem so effortless in the NBA, makes me wonder what normal players are missing about throwing them.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1846 on: April 11, 2019, 12:49:09 am »
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Game post-
This game sucked. New team and new comp. The opposition didn't know how to play. As in seriously didn't know how to play. The refs went easy on them and they traveled a lot, heaps of double dribbles, lots and lots of threes from god know where. It was 45-3 after the first half and we ended up winning 71-8.

wtf? that's awful. LMFAO.

i'd call travel on them every single time. learn to play the game. if someone cant dribble, pass. they could have gone naismith old peach crate style and just passed non-stop without dribbling. lol.

Man they called some but there were so many steps, carries, etc. I felt bad because they were just terrible. You couldn’t even call it a real game. Was like playing a bunch of 4 year olds.

Side note- I never realised how much of an art form alley oop passing is. I almost think you need to be either- highly skilled or a dunker to know or appreciate where to pass it. Last night they threw me about 8 alleys and all were either about 6ft off the ground or bullets that no one had a chance at catching. Even in the other team I play with who are more skilled have no concept of how or where to pass them.

back when i hooped, i threw tons of alleys and i never got anywhere close to dunking back then. so just decent passer i imagine. also tho, i threw alleys to people i've played with before. doubt i threw an alley oop to someone i never played with.. so having that experience playing with someone probably helps.

I used to in high school. We would all throw them but the general idea is basic. Put the ball near the rim at a medium pace. It’s not that difficult.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1847 on: April 11, 2019, 12:51:47 am »
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This is a thing. Throwing an oop is a skill .. ive had one PG i met for the first time who nailed it and it was refreshing. They make it seem so effortless in the NBA, makes me wonder what normal players are missing about throwing them.

I was asking them for one off the backboard with me trailing the fast break as I thought that would be easier. Nope. No can do. It does make you appreciate the guys who throw them though.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1848 on: April 11, 2019, 04:08:45 am »
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This is a thing. Throwing an oop is a skill .. ive had one PG i met for the first time who nailed it and it was refreshing. They make it seem so effortless in the NBA, makes me wonder what normal players are missing about throwing them.

you mean other than 99.99999th percentile kinesthetic sense and countless hours of practice?
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1849 on: April 11, 2019, 07:38:59 pm »
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This is a thing. Throwing an oop is a skill .. ive had one PG i met for the first time who nailed it and it was refreshing. They make it seem so effortless in the NBA, makes me wonder what normal players are missing about throwing them.

you mean other than 99.99999th percentile kinesthetic sense and countless hours of practice?

Sorry LBSS but I have to go with Maxent on this one. It's not that hard. Just like throwing a chest pass but putting it next to the ring. There's a guy in one of my teams who's a gun. Can shoot the lights out, has great post moves, can handle the ball well but throws oops like a fastball. I had a perfect backdoor cut, no one between me and the rim and he sent a rocket that passed me by before I'd even left the ground.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1850 on: April 12, 2019, 04:41:57 am »
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haha fair enough. although my own relatively limited experience with getting people to throw me lobs is that it's harder than it looks. maybe all your boy needs is a bit of a talking-to about the zip he puts on them.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1851 on: April 12, 2019, 05:26:04 pm »
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i think it's way harder than it looks. especially in game situations. someone throwing it needs decent timing, beyond just good fundamentals etc.

and ya normal people can't throw lobs for sh*t. 0 timing & 0 placement.

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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1852 on: April 14, 2019, 07:49:02 pm »
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Agree that it's harder than it looks. It just surprises me how bad most guys are at it. Almost like they freak out when trying to do it. Just need to give them some practice and a higher target I think.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1853 on: April 14, 2019, 07:55:41 pm »
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12/04/19

Started to train with some banded RDLs. Had a massive headache though and this was making it so much worse. Called it a day and did some stretching instead. 

13/04/19

Deadmill Sprints- 4 x 15s
Split Squat- back foot elevated 5"- bw x 5, +10 x 5, +20 x 5, +30 x 5

Jumps. Did around 15 SL jumps off my left. A few dunks for good measure and then a few without the ball where I hit 32" which is the highest I've hit in a long time. Especially given it was on the rim in my driveway where I'm always a little cautious. Had some good speed but know my technique needs some work and (thanks to some bad food the last week) I was was jumping at about 92kgs plus clothing. Read a study somewhere that 3.8lbs of fat gain resulted in a 2" vertical loss. Got me really interested in getting this fat off. I'm not fat but would have at least double that to lose. Makes me excited for my jumping. Get the fat off/better jumping technique/stronger = gains!

15/04/19
5.00am

Reverse Sled- 5 x 60m
J Curl- bar x 5 x 5- these felt tight as fuck. Could have been the time of morning or that I haven't done them for weeks.

Poliquin Step Up- sets of 15- 3" box
20, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90  :personal-record:

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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1854 on: April 16, 2019, 07:30:50 pm »
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16/04/19

5pm

Cross Bench Pullover & Trap 3 Raise- 3 supersets. Nothing to write home about.

Did 15-20 jumps with a LR plant. Felt surprisingly comfortable and after the first couple I was doing them off a decent run up. Max height was around 30" which is pretty good considering that's my weakest two foot plant. Took some video for feedback and need to get lower and take a bigger penultimate which is actually great cause there's inches right there that I'm missing out on.

*Funny and really annoying now that I'm assessing my jumping technique I was thinking back to playing basketball when I was about 18-20. We had a high level volleyball player fill in with us. I remember him asking me if I had ever been taught how to jump cause he could see things that I could probably work on. I remember my own arrogant reaction at the time thinking what can this guy show me. He's only a volleyball player haha. Dammit. Makes me wonder.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1855 on: April 16, 2019, 10:14:52 pm »
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16/04/19

5pm

Cross Bench Pullover & Trap 3 Raise- 3 supersets. Nothing to write home about.

Did 15-20 jumps with a LR plant. Felt surprisingly comfortable and after the first couple I was doing them off a decent run up. Max height was around 30" which is pretty good considering that's my weakest two foot plant. Took some video for feedback and need to get lower and take a bigger penultimate which is actually great cause there's inches right there that I'm missing out on.

*Funny and really annoying now that I'm assessing my jumping technique I was thinking back to playing basketball when I was about 18-20. We had a high level volleyball player fill in with us. I remember him asking me if I had ever been taught how to jump cause he could see things that I could probably work on. I remember my own arrogant reaction at the time thinking what can this guy show me. He's only a volleyball player haha. Dammit. Makes me wonder.

i remember in ~2017 or so, this old timer distance running coach told me I need to actively plantar flex my ankles when i run, summary: "really focus on extending your ankle on each stride". I was like cool thanks, but ignored it, because I know stuff like that is stupid. The last thing I want to be doing while running is thinking to push off my toes every stride, especially in races of thousands of strides. Absolute garbage.

but it got me thinking...

so several days later, I actually tried it. I was just like, hmm what if it's not so bad, and it actually helps.

strained my soleus in like 5 seconds and had to take a week off.

there's so much noise out there. maybe he'd have given you some good advice. or maybe he'd plant form guru landmines in your brain - as we've seen, can last *forever* with people. just have to be careful.

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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1856 on: April 16, 2019, 10:39:20 pm »
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16/04/19

5pm

Cross Bench Pullover & Trap 3 Raise- 3 supersets. Nothing to write home about.

Did 15-20 jumps with a LR plant. Felt surprisingly comfortable and after the first couple I was doing them off a decent run up. Max height was around 30" which is pretty good considering that's my weakest two foot plant. Took some video for feedback and need to get lower and take a bigger penultimate which is actually great cause there's inches right there that I'm missing out on.

*Funny and really annoying now that I'm assessing my jumping technique I was thinking back to playing basketball when I was about 18-20. We had a high level volleyball player fill in with us. I remember him asking me if I had ever been taught how to jump cause he could see things that I could probably work on. I remember my own arrogant reaction at the time thinking what can this guy show me. He's only a volleyball player haha. Dammit. Makes me wonder.

i remember in ~2017 or so, this old timer distance running coach told me I need to actively plantar flex my ankles when i run, summary: "really focus on extending your ankle on each stride". I was like cool thanks, but ignored it, because I know stuff like that is stupid. The last thing I want to be doing while running is thinking to push off my toes every stride, especially in races of thousands of strides. Absolute garbage.

but it got me thinking...

so several days later, I actually tried it. I was just like, hmm what if it's not so bad, and it actually helps.

strained my soleus in like 5 seconds and had to take a week off.

there's so much noise out there. maybe he'd have given you some good advice. or maybe he'd plant form guru landmines in your brain - as we've seen, can last *forever* with people. just have to be careful.

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Hahaha yeah good point. Back then I just assumed jumping was innate and didn't think it could be a learned skill.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1857 on: April 17, 2019, 08:08:45 pm »
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Stretching and ball game yesterday. Big stretching session and felt golden after. Ball game was a wash. 2nd game with the new team and we struggled for cohesion. I was pretty tentative on offence and basically sucked. We lost by 11 which wasn't a bad result but I would normally expect to beat the other team. Worst part was I copped a knock to the left knee and calf. Didn't even realise until I got home and it was battered and bruised. Feels a bit better this morning so hoping I can train later.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1858 on: April 28, 2019, 10:09:23 pm »
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Missed a whole week of updates. Most likely because I didn't train for a whole week haha.

Played ball last Wednesday. Ok-ish game. We won easily but I'm still finding my place in the team. Rolled my ankle in the first 2 minutes which didn't help but ran it off. Have also been eating a lot of crap and felt like rubbish anyway.

Played yesterday with the other team. It's funny the different mentality I have when playing with different people. We were missing our two "best" players. By best they are the most offensively aggressive so they take more shots than anyone else although they don't necessarily have a higher scoring percentage. With them not in the team I was way more aggressive. Had a heap of good offensive moves which were mainly from the post and had a really good game as a result. I still had a few assists and created other scoring opportunities but looked for my own shot first which is something I do not normally do. Also had one oop opportunity that went begging. We were running a fast break and I was in the clear with one opposition player in the key. I wasn't expecting him to throw an alley but when he threw it up I jumped instinctively. I get serious height only to realise the ball was a thrown just above my oppositions head height. This turned out to be my hip height so I was pissed that we messed that one up.

Back into training tonight. Time to get this body back on track.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1859 on: April 29, 2019, 07:19:26 pm »
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29/04/19

Reverse Deadmill- 4mins 30s
Calf Stretch- 3 mins total

J Curl- sets of 5- bw x 5, 10 x 5, 20 x 5, 30 x 5
Step Up- Heel down- 7.5" box- sets of 15-  20, 30, 40, 45

Garhammer Raise- 5, 4, 4
Seated DB Tibialis Raise- 10 x 20, 15 x 20, 20

Incline DB Press- 15s x 10, 17.5s x 10, 10
Chins- bw x 5, 4, 2

Couch Stretch and 90/90 stretch to finish

Good session. Felt great after but no surprises that I hadn't lifted in over a week looking at my chins. Step ups were ok although the box was likely an inch or two too high. J curls were great. Got some feedback on my form which made a huge difference in using the hips properly throughout the movement.
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