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Barefoot training
« on: July 29, 2011, 01:21:22 pm »
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Adarq and Lance, do you guys promote bare-foot training, specifically for athleticism/vert improvement?


Here in my dorm room, I like to do some stationary jumping exercises.  I do SVJ's, single leg tuck jumps, and pogos.  All bare-foot.
A new goal of mine, before I go back home from here in England, is to hit my head on the ceiling off a SVJ, bare-foot, which would be 30".  I'm like ~2 inches off.  I can see shoes adding inches in RVJ, but do they do the same in SVJ as well?  Like if I am able to hit my head and get that bare-foot 30", would that mean 31-32 inches in my Kobe 6's?  (potential to be a stupid/obvious question)

Also, on my pogo's I'm receiving a lot of shock on my shins on each landing.  What's the deal with this?
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 05:12:57 pm by Ineedtodunk »
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 10:43:59 pm »
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I jump higher in barefeet than in the current shoes I have (Iverson 13s and nike frees 5.0). I feel more ankle power coming form there. I sometimes sprint on the track in barefeet too but I run faster in spikes, spikes give me even more ankle power though. All I gotta say is that I feel like I'm using foot/ankle power much more barefoot and some shoes totally hinder that. Adarq's waffle racers I have not tried but might be better becaue there is more of a forefoot but once I try those I'll know.

I think shin pain may be weak eccentric strength, butI don't know where. Hopefully you'll adapt
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 11:12:29 am »
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Adarqui or Lance pleaz answer this cause I got the same question.

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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 01:03:24 pm »
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Adarqui or Lance pleaz answer this cause I got the same question.

Yo, I asked Adarq on IRC and he answered me.  He basically said, bare-foot training is cool and can help, but he doesn't PROMOTE it.  That it's not absolutely necessary or required or anything.  And then he said that, you can do some plyo's bare-foot if you want, but you're going to have to do some plyo's in basketball shoes too (if you're a basketball player), and that it'll be different. 

And just incase, bare-foot should jump higher on a stable surface for SVJ's. 
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 01:51:14 pm »
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Adarqui or Lance pleaz answer this cause I got the same question.


Yea, I agree with what adarq said, its fine but I wouldnt do any of the really intense plyos barefoot (ie high intensity drops or depth jumps).  If you train in a minimalistic shoe like the waffles you get still get the benefit of working the smaller muscles in the feet and a better connection to the big toe and the ground, but without having to worry so much about rocks, glass, etc., sprinting/jumping in grass or on surfaces where mishaps like that can happen.   Progress slowly into it though, dont want to jump head first into too much barefoot work and end up with turf toe/etc, the feet have to get used to it just like any other muscle group/tendons/ligaments.
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 03:31:28 pm »
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What I don't like about the Waffles, as I see them (never wear any) is how unstable the outsole looks. With all kinds of bumps in and out of the sole, it looks like you'd trip yourself over any time, any moment.

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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 03:43:55 pm »
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sikvendetta, you can post questions in here but dont give advice in our q and a anymore, youre posting some insane shit that is hurting my brain and I dont want new users looking in here and not knowing what the deal is with those posts. Also, read this.

http://www.adarq.org/forum/sts-qa/***-rules-stuff-***/

If you want to make your own threads about that stuff have at it, but do it in other sub forums.
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 04:02:43 pm »
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 11:00:53 pm »
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  Im not singling you out btw thats the rules for everyone regardless if its a performance/strength training question.  Other members from other sites come over and read the q and a, see an answer that we may or may not have agreed with and take it and run with it, and in the end it falls back on us.

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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2011, 11:42:40 pm »
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My b, I'm just so eager. Still main point is, I need shoes that don't inhibit ankle/achilles power. SO I guess I'll add to this question...

Do you feel as if shoes can inhibit ankle power? Because I feel it can sometimes and would like advice on this. Legit 3 inches less jumping in nike frees off of 1 step rvj compare to socks.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 12:32:53 am »
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My b, I'm just so eager. Still main point is, I need shoes that don't inhibit ankle/achilles power. SO I guess I'll add to this question...

Do you feel as if shoes can inhibit ankle power? Because I feel it can sometimes and would like advice on this. Legit 3 inches less jumping in nike frees off of 1 step rvj compare to socks.

Well frees have a pretty soft/compressive sole so you can definitely lose some force transfer there between you and the ground, 3 inches is a pretty big gap.  The better and more solid the connection between the foot and ground the better the transfer, there are some videos on youtube showing what happens is soft soled tennis shoes during the landing from a clean and then again with a more solid soled shoe, different concept but still applies. 

With jumping and sprinting you dont want a bunch of soft compressive material under your foot but you also dont want a heavy bulky shoe.  Waffles are a good option because they give a little extra protection but with a very thin sole that isnt going to cause you to lose a lot of force transfer between you and the ground. If you play basketball as your sport youre going to have to compete in basketball shoes, so its best to find a good shoe that provides some solid stability without a lot of extra bulk on it and a good connection to the ground.
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 01:18:08 am »
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With jumping and sprinting you dont want a bunch of soft compressive material under your foot but you also dont want a heavy bulky shoe.  Waffles are a good option because they give a little extra protection but with a very thin sole that isnt going to cause you to lose a lot of force transfer between you and the ground. If you play basketball as your sport youre going to have to compete in basketball shoes, so its best to find a good shoe that provides some solid stability without a lot of extra bulk on it and a good connection to the ground.

Are these waffles effective for sprinting on grass, I need to get some new training shoes? I think the main factor with shoes is simply comfort. I don't think they factor into my vert more than an inch. But I def feel that jumping on basketball wooden courts adds an extra 2-3 inches compared to concrete or asphalt.
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 01:31:25 am »
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With jumping and sprinting you dont want a bunch of soft compressive material under your foot but you also dont want a heavy bulky shoe.  Waffles are a good option because they give a little extra protection but with a very thin sole that isnt going to cause you to lose a lot of force transfer between you and the ground. If you play basketball as your sport youre going to have to compete in basketball shoes, so its best to find a good shoe that provides some solid stability without a lot of extra bulk on it and a good connection to the ground.

Are these waffles effective for sprinting on grass, I need to get some new training shoes? I think the main factor with shoes is simply comfort. I don't think they factor into my vert more than an inch. But I def feel that jumping on basketball wooden courts adds an extra 2-3 inches compared to concrete or asphalt.

  Yep, barefoot is good on grass too but the good thing about the waffles is you dont have to worry about slicing your foot open on a rock/piece of glass/ground level sprinkler head, etc.   
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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2011, 12:03:22 pm »
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Well I do that because I just want to train at my apartment. But I would wear shoes if that's better. My concern is that if jumping barefoot on porcelain floor would give me bad knees. I feel like pain in my knees, like jumpers knee, but I am not sure because it's  not very severe doesn't happen all the time. I feel like when I am landing when jumping barefoot I gotta land 'carefully' on balls of my feet or it hurts.

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Re: Barefoot training
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2011, 12:37:59 pm »
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Well I do that because I just want to train at my apartment. But I would wear shoes if that's better. My concern is that if jumping barefoot on porcelain floor would give me bad knees. I feel like pain in my knees, like jumpers knee, but I am not sure because it's  not very severe doesn't happen all the time. I feel like when I am landing when jumping barefoot I gotta land 'carefully' on balls of my feet or it hurts.

 * Btw I'm clintzyc24.

Why did you change ur name to the name of my journal? LOL
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