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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« on: July 21, 2011, 03:57:47 pm »
Quote from: LanceSTS on July 21, 2011, 02:55:16 pm
Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 02:28:53 pm
Quote from: steven-miller on July 21, 2011, 02:09:52 pm
Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 01:17:09 pm
How it's a contradiction? I think mass is detrimental but additional leg muscle at a sub ~2.5 squat helps more than it kills. Meaning - you get a higher force output as a + but you need more effort from the CNS/core/other untrained small muscles to move as a - . I see the CNS power in absolute terms (like everyone of us having a battery in their bodies) that is drained more by the additional mass it has to move around, regardless of it's nature.

Adding muscle cannot be detrimental and useful at the same time because there is only one net effect in the end. This net effect might be the result of independent mechanisms, but what matters is the outcome of a higher, equal or lower VJ.

If you put a bigger and heavier engine in a car, it will have a bigger power production (positive effect) but it will burn more fuel and maybe, due to the higher forces, wear some other components out (negative effect).

 the problem with statement is the human body is not a car, not even close.  our "parts" adapt just like anything else to increased strength/stress and get bigger, stronger, faster.

 also, dont say mass hurts ATHLETICISM, thats insane, tell that to some of the football guys who went from 150 - 190 and got much faster, more explosive, and became 10x the players the were.  If you said it hurts, "vertical jump", you would still be wrong in several different ways, but youd have some ground to stand on at least.

Yeah that's true, sprinters or football players would punch me if they heard that but high jumpers would kiss you if they heard what you said. Haha.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« on: July 21, 2011, 03:56:37 pm »
Quote from: steven-miller on July 21, 2011, 02:48:49 pm
Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 02:28:53 pm
If you put a bigger and heavier engine in a car, it will have a bigger power production (positive effect) but it will burn more fuel and maybe, due to the higher forces, wear some other components out (negative effect).

So? A car with a really weak motor will still not drive fast, even if other components are at a lower risk for "wearing out".

Of course. That's why I said the positive outweigh the negatives up until a certain point (which people are usually far from).

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Upper back pain when dead lifting
« on: July 21, 2011, 02:44:37 pm »
Well, in theory, your center of gravity will be a bit lower and your back will be a bit straighter.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Lower back injuries and olympic lifts
« on: July 21, 2011, 02:42:59 pm »
By the way, discovered something else:

If I point my feet A LOT to the sides then I can bend forward without much pain if at all in the buttock. If I have my feet oriented forward, then the pain is pretty severe at the top of my left buttock. I think this is consistent with the piriformis syndrome.

Now this is something to keep in mind while squatting - it appears that if I have a narrow stance and the feet are not oriented to the sides at least a for a bit (or more) then bad things will happen. I'm writing this because other people might experience the same thing and they didn't discovered it.

PS. And seriously, that's a back extension.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« on: July 21, 2011, 02:28:53 pm »
Quote from: steven-miller on July 21, 2011, 02:09:52 pm
Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 01:17:09 pm
How it's a contradiction? I think mass is detrimental but additional leg muscle at a sub ~2.5 squat helps more than it kills. Meaning - you get a higher force output as a + but you need more effort from the CNS/core/other untrained small muscles to move as a - . I see the CNS power in absolute terms (like everyone of us having a battery in their bodies) that is drained more by the additional mass it has to move around, regardless of it's nature.

Adding muscle cannot be detrimental and useful at the same time because there is only one net effect in the end. This net effect might be the result of independent mechanisms, but what matters is the outcome of a higher, equal or lower VJ.

If you put a bigger and heavier engine in a car, it will have a bigger power production (positive effect) but it will burn more fuel and maybe, due to the higher forces, wear some other components out (negative effect).

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« on: July 21, 2011, 02:27:01 pm »
Quote from: vag on July 21, 2011, 01:56:38 pm
He increases his LBM by 10% , 187lbs. Lets say that with those 17lbs of LBM he also added 5lbs of fat, total 35.

You lost me here. Choose it: either 17 lbs or 35?

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Upper back pain when dead lifting
« on: July 21, 2011, 02:16:44 pm »
Quote from: Ineedtodunk on July 21, 2011, 01:56:28 pm
So, when I do conventional style dead lifts, I try hard to keep my back straight, use my lower body/hips, and keep my shoulders pulled back/chest out.  How come recently, when I dead lift, like the middle of my back, like where my spine is, in between my shoulder blades, it gets uncomfortable and kinda hurts.  The pain is not that much, it just feels weird.  This is weird, because before I used to never feel anything on my upper back, only my lower back when I would perform with improper technique.  Anyone else experience this?

Try sumo deadlifts, you might get better results. Otherwise just reduce the weight.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: funny / horrible training videos
« on: July 21, 2011, 01:22:03 pm »
Quote from: LBSS on July 21, 2011, 11:28:55 am
don't get why you put that one here, raptor.

Because it's funny. Never seen that type of machine before.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Lower back injuries and olympic lifts
« on: July 21, 2011, 01:20:12 pm »
Quote from: LBSS on July 21, 2011, 10:56:23 am
of course your low back muscles can't extend your hips, but they sure can take your upper body from parallel to the ground to perpendicular.

How do you call that? "Hip parallel-to-perpendicular-extension"? Or just good ol' plain "hip extension"?

Because that's what I'm doing whenever I PC or PS. I just do what I usually do in a deadlift, I don't really hip extend because, frankly, I think my ultra-stiff hip flexors stop this from happening.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« on: July 21, 2011, 01:17:09 pm »
Quote from: steven-miller on July 21, 2011, 10:58:31 am
Raptor, I am sorry, but that was the biggest bunch of shit I have ever read from you.

Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2011, 10:44:27 am
I think that mass, of any kind, is DETRIMENTAL to athleticism to an extent, but muscle gain for some people, even as additional mass, gives more than it takes away in terms of benefits vs. detriments.

That in and off itself is a contradiction. Everything that follows makes even less sense. Please put some thought into these posts because some people might actually take this seriously.

How it's a contradiction? I think mass is detrimental but additional leg muscle at a sub ~2.5 squat helps more than it kills. Meaning - you get a higher force output as a + but you need more effort from the CNS/core/other untrained small muscles to move as a - . I see the CNS power in absolute terms (like everyone of us having a battery in their bodies) that is drained more by the additional mass it has to move around, regardless of it's nature.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Lower back injuries and olympic lifts
« on: July 21, 2011, 10:50:28 am »
Yup, I am. And whatever happens (maybe more piriformis gets used in a movement he has no business with) is happening again and again and traps the sciatic nerve underneath it. Apparently, for some people, the sciatic nerve actually GOES THROUGH the piriformis and if the piriformis hypertrophies it can trap the nerve and cause all kinds of problems.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« on: July 21, 2011, 10:44:27 am »
I think that mass, of any kind, is DETRIMENTAL to athleticism to an extent, but muscle gain for some people, even as additional mass, gives more than it takes away in terms of benefits vs. detriments.

What I mean by that is the fact that the CNS, body, whatever you want to call it, has to receive proprioceptive signals from the body to determine body position etc. It will always have that. But (and this is just my belief, no scientific background whatsoever) with a heavier mass it "believes" (and maybe that's true) it needs a much higher effort to decelerate/amortizate/control/coordinate both intra and inter-muscularily.

Now we have to define what effort means. In my opinion it's a matter of core strength, body awareness, stabilizer muscle recruitment/necessity of recruitment, and just overall the need of stronger/faster signals because more mass is present. Which takes more effort to make all this happen from the CNS.

If a guy is weak though he will need more muscle in order to actually GAIN from the additional force that muscle will provide vs the whatever negatives, if my case really exist, that will provide as well.

With bodyfat that's even worse - it's just a weight that your CNS and muscles will need to worry about and move around and exert additional effort to do so. It can change the body's center of mass a bit and that might move you out of the optimal firing position to a specific movement. That instead will make you use some muscles more and some muscles less and all sorts of shitty things will happen.

At least this is how I view things.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Lower back injuries and olympic lifts
« on: July 21, 2011, 09:02:52 am »
Since I injured my back doing hang powersnatches with an empty barbell (same symptoms came back - high buttock pain (probably piriformis) and pain in that area while bending down as in a standing hamstring stretch and lightning bolts through the back etc) - but probably was about to happen before that but nevertheless - it happened during the hang powersnatch.

ANYWAY

The question was - if you tend to use the lower back while o-lifting, what can you do to use more glute and get the spinal erectors out of the equation? (except not arching that much)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfish
« on: July 21, 2011, 08:59:39 am »
What happens if you try two handed dunks with a basketball? Is it hard because the ball is bigger or because it's heavier, or both?

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: funny / horrible training videos
« on: July 20, 2011, 05:24:21 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By-Of-s1zN8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By-Of-s1zN8</a>

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