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541
26-01-24

BW - 75.1

Leg Curl
96x9 + 82x8 + 68x9 + 61x10

Cybex Hack Squat
80 x 8, 7

Reverse Nordic
+8x7 + BWx5

HS Iso Incline
40 x 13
40x10 + 35x6

Incline DB Flye
15 x 11, 8

Panatta Lateral
65x6 + 55x7 + 45x7 + 40x6 + 35x6

OH Machine Extension
30x10 + 25x7 + 20x5 + 15x6 + 10x6

Dips
BW x 15+9+6

Treadmill Incline Walk x 15 mins @~140hr

Notes

Gym got a new Cybex Hack so did that instead of leg press, think I prefer it.

542
23-01-24

BW: 75.7

Assisted OAC
-20 x 1
-10 x 1
-20 x 2, 2, 1, 1

20mm Pickups
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
57.5 x 1
45 x 14

DB Pullover
27.5 x 13

DB Preacher Curl
15 x 5
12.5 x 10, 8

BB Finger Curl
65 x 10, 8, 8

Chest-Supported DB Rear-Delt Row
32.5 x 13

Miscellanious ab stuff

Notes

Dietary averages for last week - 2370 kcal, 155g protein

543
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: January 23, 2024, 07:33:30 am »
Overshot the cals by about 500 yesterday but woke up lighter. Weird.

Happens to me too! I usually attribute to one of two reasons: (a) sometimes being in a deficit can just lead to water retention from stress, and having a higher cal day alleviates that; (b) when I overeat, it's often because I've had less fibre/less satiating food and more calorie dense things, so there's just less mass in the gut.

544
22-01-24

BW: 75.5

Leg Curl
96x6 + 82x8 + 68x10 + 61x14

Sissy LP
130 x 8

Reverse Nordic
+6kg x 8, 6

HS Iso Incline
40 x 11
40x9 + 35x6

Inc DB Flye
12.5 x 14, 11

Machine OH Extension
30x10 + 25x5 +20x5 +15x10 + 10x5

Panatta Machine Lateral
60x10 + 50x7 + 45x6 + 40x6 +35x6

Machine OHP
42.5 x 7 + 35x5

Dips
BW x 13+7+6

Notes

Felt sluggish going into this session, so did lots of drop sets to speed things up.

545
20-01-24

BW - 75.0

Assisted OAC
-20 x 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

20mm Grip Lift
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
40 x 25s hold

DB Pullover
27.5 x 10, 9+4

DB Preacher
15 x 5
12.5 x 10, 9, 7
10 x 16

BB Finger Curl
65 x. 11, 9, 9 + 60 x 5

Cable Crunch
50 x 10, 10
40 x 13

15 min stationary bike

Notes

Solid sesh. As noted, hamstrings and quads my sorest muscles from yesterday lol.

Everything after the chins done as a giant set where I just did whatever exercise felt ready, cba to record the exact sequencing.

546
19-01-24

BW - 75.7

Seated Leg Curl
96x7 + 82x7 + 68x13 + 61x10 + 54x10

A Sissy Leg Press
135 x 5
120 x 5

B LP Calves
120 x 33
140 x 20

HS Iso Incline
40 x 10, 8
35 x 9

Incline DB Flye
10 x 19
12.5 x 13

A Cable Lateral
12.5 x 12, 10, 9

B Cable OH Tricep Ext
27.5 x 11, 9, 8

Future Lateral Raise Machine
9x10 + 7x8

OH Tri Machine
25x8 + 20x5

Dips
BW x 13+8+6

Notes

Even with this lower volume, my legs felt less recovered than upper body. Has been that way for a while. Didn't feel full strength on the leg curls or the leg press. Don't mind not having to do more, just noting the surprise element of it.

547
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Raptor's log
« on: January 19, 2024, 06:21:18 am »
Very high heart rate after every set. After the squat sets I had ~165 heart rate with dizziness. Even while moving around in the gym after a few minutes my heart rate was ~135 or so. I need some input on how you guys have your heart rate immediately after 5-rep sets and after a few minutes.

I don't have data from a watch, but this lines up with my experience after near-failure sets on heavy leg things like RDLs/Squats/Leg Press etc.

548
17-01-24

Cardio -- 25 mins on bike, moderate then last min all out.

549
16-01-24

Assisted OAC
-10 x 1
-25 x 1, 1, 1

DB Pullover
25 x 12, 11

BB Row
90 x 10, 7

20mm Grip Lifts
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
40 x 15, 12

DB Preacher
15 x 4
12.5 x 7, 6
10 x 13

BB Finger Curl
60 x 16, 13, 9, 8, 6

Cable Crunch
45 x 12, 9
40 x 11, 8

Notes

Surprisingly back still kind of sore from Friday, and I think something from yesterday made my biceps sore, maybe the flyes? Surprising. Anyway, decent sesh.

550
15-01-24

Morning BW - 75.7

Seated Leg Curl
96 x 8 + 82 x 5
89 x 9 + 75 x 6

Sissy Leg Press
130 x 9, 9
120 x 6

45* Back Ext
+55 x 15, 11

HS Iso Incline Press
80 x 9, 7
60 x 15

DB Flye
12.5 x 13, 10

A Cable OH Extension
26.25 x 14, 12, 9
23.75 x 10

B Cable Lateral Raise
16.25 x 9
13.75 x 11, 9
11.25 x 11

Dips
BW x 12+7+5


551
My understanding is that the science atm suggest that, while near/to failure is best for hypertrophy, staying <7 rpe is best for strength. So will try to a bunch of solid 1-3 rep sets at low RPEs on assited OACs, plus one harder single now and then to mark progress, and basically everything else done at 8-10 RPE.

that's interesting. at some point in the past 6-7 years i stopped nerding out on training research the way i did in my 20s. all other things being equal, hypertrophy=strength gains, so this is news to me. you got a reference? i'm curious.

Yeah was pretty surprising to me too, but has ultimately come to make sense as I've thought about it.

I think the basic gist is that long term, you obviously want to maximise hypertophy b/c bigger muscle = stronger muscle in general and for low-skill movements. But if you want to maximise strength-specific adaptations on a single movement, then you want the practice to be as useful and specific as possible. So you want every training rep to at the sweet spot of fast + heavy, so you keep the RPE/velocity loss pretty moderate. Then, since each set is easier, you can do more total reps that are both (a) use a heavy load and (b) involve moving the bar/yourself fast. So, more, and better, specific practice.

So in running terms, you're conflating the the utility of the general prep of hypertrophy (i.e. base phase) with the specific practice of strength training (i.e. sharpening workouts like 5 x 1km for a 5k). Or like, we know that gaining muscle from moderate rep squats will help your vert, but at some point to maximise that you need to just practice jumping. 1 x 10 squats is more specific to 1rm squat than jumping, but still less so than practicing singles.

This is the latest big meta-analysis on RPE in general: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370837310_Exploring_the_Dose-Response_Relationship_Between_Estimated_Resistance_Training_Proximity_to_Failure_Strength_Gain_and_Muscle_Hypertrophy_A_Series_of_Meta-Regressions

It's relatively clear in showing that higher RPE = better muscle gainz on a per set basis, and also shows that you don't need to go to balls-to-the-wall RPE to max out strength gains.

This is the latest meta-analysis specifically on RPE/velocity loss for strength: https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/11/3/337

This is the key chart from the strength meta:



And yeah since I am in a fat loss phase, I'm not expecting to make any meaningful gains in back muscle, so I am happy to reduce my overall volume and do a bunch of "heavy easy" OAC sets in place of that work.

552
12-01-24

Assisted One Arm Chin
-10 x 1 @ 9rpe
-25 x 2@6, 2@7

A DB Incline
32.5 x 8, 7

B Chinups
+40 x 7

A DB Pullover
25 x 11, 9

B DB Flye
12.5 x 12, 8

A Lateral Raise
12.5 x 18, 14

B Lying Tri Extension
12.5 x 7
10 x 11

A DB Preacher
12.5 x 12, 10

B Good Morning
80 x 12, 10

A Reverse Nordic
BW x 11, 9 + 6

B Cable Abs
50 x 9, 7+8

Notes

First session back, just freestyled a full body thing. Plan is to generally be pretty relaxed about how I train, as long as I get the volume in each week. Only hard and fast rules will be 2 x weekly cardio, and 2 x weekly "strength" style work on assisted one arm chins.

Was on and off ill with colds and such through December, so haven't done any regular chin work for like 6 weeks, so am a bit weak there atm, hopefully that will spring back quickly. My understanding is that the science atm suggest that, while near/to failure is best for hypertrophy, staying <7 rpe is best for strength. So will try to a bunch of solid 1-3 rep sets at low RPEs on assited OACs, plus one harder single now and then to mark progress, and basically everything else done at 8-10 RPE.

553
11-01-24

BW 76.7

30 mins light-moderate effort on stationary bike

Notes

Weight will presumably stabilise a bit lower than this, but yeah I ate a lot on holiday so up about 1-1.2kg lol. Anyway, back home and back on my routine, with weight loss phase starting now. Aiming for like ~0.8% of total bodyweight lost per week. Aim is to finish somewhere around 70kg, but will see how I'm looking. Maybe I'll push this to get shredded for the first time in my life if I'm feeling good.

554
Decided that in 2024 I'll start logging on here again.

01-01-24

Seated Leg Curl
96x8 + 87x7
89x6 + 75x7

Leg Extension
60x12 + 55x7 + 50x7

Sissy Leg Press
120 x 7, 6

Neutral Machine Chest Press
16x4 [not used this machine before, this was fewer reps than I wanted]
15x5
14x7 + 12 x 4 + 10 x4

Pec-Dec
75x7 + 61 x 5 + 54x4 + 40 x 12

Panatta Machine Lateral
9+7+5+4+3+2 [cba to count reps, basically a drop set to failure with no rest at each of those settings]

OH Tricep Machine
35 x 6

Different OH Tricep Machine
25 x 10, 8
20 x 9

Dips
BW x 14 + 8 + 5

02-01-24

DB Pullover
25x15 + 20x9 + 15x11 + 12.5x10 + 10x10

Chins
BW x 21+5+4+3+2

DB Preacher Curl
15x4 + 12.5x7 +10x10 +7.5x15+12+10

A - BB Finger Curl
60x18, 12, 11, 10, 7, 5

B1 - BB Row
90 x 9, 7, 6

B2 Hammer Curl
15 x 17, 12, 9

Notes

Today's workout at home spread throughout the day, yesterday at the gym. Goals at are just muscle gainzz. Just doing a lot of freestyle training atm b/c schedule has been weird, so I've dropped specific one arm chin stuff, which I'll bring back soon. Away for a few days from Thursday so won't be training in that period. BW is ~75.5-76 atm, so I've gained a little over 2kg in 4 months since finishing the cut. I think I might diet again pretty soon with the aim of going sub 70kg, bc I didn't really get all that lean.

555
pretty strong! why'd you stop squatting?

Other than one arm chins, I have no particular strength goals and I just want to get jacked. So, my training is 90% hypertrophy stuff. I do frequent heavy chins stuff, and I'll do a heavy set of bench press or squat (now squat-like movement) before main sets just to get a sense of strength and for potentiation. Most bodybuilders do leg press/hack squat in order to get a bit more volume and more direct quad focus vs squats.

On top of that: I've done a lot of squats in my life and got a lil bored of them, whereas I can count on my fingers my lifetime leg press/hack squat sets.

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