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THe hamstrings are definitely absorbing high forces, before the quads and glutes take the body off the floor and into the air. I don't think you need to isolate them either since exercises that are training the glutes and quads are training the hamstrings the way they operate in a vertical jump. But for 1 footed vj the hamstrings do contract during the jump so that's different.

anyway here's a [http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20[PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE]&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22]study[http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20[PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE]&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22] you should all read, except I can't find the full text forfree and I'm broke right now




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http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22

http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22

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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: Wierd thing happened to my VERT
« on: April 27, 2010, 11:42:50 pm »
feels so good man... haha can't wait for my current deload to be over!

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yeah I jsut checked that out, sick thread. Tdub get's the lowest by far - which IMO looks cool as well - it makes you look like you're jumping higher too.

However, in the video below, Tdub does not seem to be getting as low (slow-mo at 0:22) - he also jumps faster than the speed of light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg4oPtERYqY&playnext_from=TL&videos=SbZIJ6uHZGQ

Maybe I should have posted this in the plant thread..

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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Re: Various Jumpers: Plants
« on: April 27, 2010, 11:38:22 pm »
Yeah I'm also surprised at how low these people are getting. Even Jus fly, he doesn't seem to get low because he jumps so fast but he clearly is. I definitely cannot get that low but my lifts are pretty weak at the moment so that explains why. AUT looks way more quad dominant than the other jumpers - anyone think this? He doesn't seem to be reaching out as much as the others I guess, but he rarely needs much of a runup anyway, so that could explain why he is not reaching either.

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ya definitely, he gets very deep too.

You think he gets deep?In most videos he looks like he is barely bending at the knees, but I have seen in some dunks he gets deep, still not nearly as deep as GC I would think..

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Peer Reviewed Studies Discussion / Re: Long jump, Triple Jump
« on: April 26, 2010, 06:47:23 pm »
alright it could have been a little longer, but it was 1 split basically, and I could run and take a dunk, before that it was 4 long forceful, slow, strides. I did high 1 legged drops mostly, a lot harder than 2 footed. The gains were quick however... have you never felt the potentiation from 1 single plyo workout? SOmetimes three days after bounding, my ground contact times are just way quicker. Doesn't last forever though

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Beetroot juice & endurance
« on: April 26, 2010, 06:42:18 pm »
loll, I think if you had a juicer it would work, I think any vegetable juice could help endurance..electrolytes, alkaline byproducts. But also I think beet juice is supposed to be quite sweet actually, so it could be the sugar in this study as well helping.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Are you fucking kidding?
« on: April 25, 2010, 10:11:51 pm »
that look's really close, what do you think he hit? He definitely got above the exit sign, after that I can't really see clearly

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: This guy claims he is dunking on 13 feet
« on: April 25, 2010, 10:08:32 pm »
hahaha what a fool...

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hmm that's interesting... I always wanted to think genetics did not play as big a role; people who figured out they were good at jumping for instance are more likely to practice it right? Therefore they just honed the skill, and had a passion for it that someone who knew he/she was terrible at jumping did not.. But that's cool, I definitely don't have as much experience as you so I'll take ur word for it. It's cool to analyze these freaks though... Ben WIlliams for example, triple jumper, he does not lift weights, and since he was like 12 he could just jump like crazy. I wonder how that works.. haha

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Beetroot juice & endurance
« on: April 25, 2010, 06:13:53 pm »
this is sweet, I've never heard of this either. And this is quite affordable as well, minus the expense of the juicer. More affordable than cordyceps, but cordy is totally worth it - well I'll look for a study and post it later, but I'm have to go to a yoga class now... with friends of course, but I hope it will increase my recovery.
I just wonder, these types of ergogenic aids are targeted towards the endurance athlete; do you know of how (biochemically or w/e) this could help a sprinter? Like as the ATP/AP is running low, maybe this could do something? Cuz then us anaerobic athletes could benefit from this as well.


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Article & Video Discussion / Re: post activation potentiation
« on: April 24, 2010, 10:33:24 am »
I wouldn't mind seeing the full text, can you email?

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I jsut wanted to experiemtn with that second philosophy - training specific to movement patterns.
And since I have done trapbar deadlifts, and my RVJ lift, I think I am the most credible in saying that they work the muscles similarly. . .. lol I've done both, and trap bar deadlifts hit my lower back the same way as this does.

The confusion regarding the jerkiness of this lift is due to the fact that it's a max attempt. I believe I had the smoothest lift at 00:47. I'll post a video of it being smoother on a lower weight.

And LBSS, an RVJ, in my opinion, looks smooth because it happens so fast. But in slow mo, a lot of things are moving and jerking. Tdub is extremely smooth, but look at GC. He bows his neck down and curves his back a little bit, creating a powerful stretch shortening cycle to the RVJ. I pretty much do the same thing in this lift. And I love using momentum to lift as much weight as possible, while trying to not do anything stupid regarding form.

In terms of the comment on large scale studies: think about a recent study that evaluated low carb vs low fat. The two variables were fats and carbs . . . other variables include mineral cmposition of the diet, digestibility of the proteins, um fiber, antioxidants in the diet, etc. Remember this study? I laughed when it came out because people believed the results, whichw as that low fat results in greater weight loss long term (1year), and low carb offers greater weight loss short term (6months - not that short for a cut). An example of how so many confounding variables screw up results.

And chicken is not as high quality of a protein as spirulina, it may have more protein, but spirulina has the minerals/co factors/enzymes that probably increase protein synthesis beyond anything a complicated polypeptide bonded protein could do.

Also, did I mention this yet? Nutritional science is brand new; people who rely on the science too heavily tend to refute things not backed up by science, such as raw food. I mean I stopped studying nutritional science after realizing how backed up in outdated bs the major was. So for me, I feel great on raw food, most people do. I've felt great on some cooked foods too, but having a high amount of those in your diet tends to improve well-being a lot, and clearly you have not tried it. btw I eat like 60 g of protein a day and my lifts have been going up for the past 3 months continuously - so that's high quality protein.

Dr. Gabriel Cousens btw, a promoter or raw food, gets people off insulin in 2-4 days at his institute. I think that's pretty profound. They've cured type 1 diabetes as well, and put the results together in a documentary titled "Simply Raw."

@Nba2020: thanks man, I record diet/training/how I feel everyday in my journal. In fact, I know I'm gonna have a good lift when ma swagga is at its best. THat's when the legs are strongest, seriously, i think many can attest to that

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Go watch a video of someone doing a sumo dead lift properly. Maybe this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r--etdWUmc0. You will notice that the dude sets, gets all the tension out of his arms and shoulders, and pulls smoothly off the ground. What you do is grab the bar and jerk upwards. Even your head jerks around. Sure, you might be getting stronger, but like Adam. said, the toll on your joints will catch up with you no matter how "clean" you eat.

My philosophy is to use momentum as required . . . with the joints in my spine, neck, shoulders, ankles, knees, hips, elbows...because that is what occurs during a vertical jump. During a sumo deadlift, you are sumo deadlifting. During this exercise I posted, you are performing a jump and it neeeds to be jerky. THis isn't unconventional wisdom really, but if you want to powerflit, powerlift. If you want to be an athlete you should use as much momentum as possible, unless you want to avoid using the joints that particular day. This day my joints were ready for it. As long as I know when my joints are ready for high impact stuff, and when they need to recover, I should be fine... Your fencing thing is also the result of diet, and it is still curable.

Squats don't work for me - I have mild scoliosis so extra pressure is on my lower back (since my upper back is curved). And deadlifts hit the back too much. THis is essentially a trap bar deadlift. This exercise was inspired by something I've seen form Nick Nillson, who performs weirder exercises that you would thinka re worse for your joints. Anyway, why are you even asking 'why I'm reinventing the wheel?' THe mere fact that your mind is clouded with that thought prevents you from being rational about this. I'm doing something that I think works and feels right for me.

I've followed lyle mcdonald for a while, he's awesome.  However Alan aragon tries hard, but clean eating is a complex issue and no one has it down right. I eat fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, (including peanuts a legume), seaweeds, and fermented foods. That's clean, pasteurized dairy/chicken and 180 grams of peptide-bonded protein that is difficult tto digest. I haven't read everything form him though so I'll leave the browser open, he has some good stuff but I can't agree with all of it. I eat Raw Food, extremely beneficial, and the science is coming in now. Nutrition science is quite a new field..and there are a lot of questions being answered wrongly and correctly. If you trust what the FDA says, you're not enjoying the best health out there.

What is hilarious is that I had a HUGE debate on milk on mind and muscle forums, a great forum, and how I believe pasteurized milk really does kill your joints. You're not going to find a correct answer through large scale studies, because there are equal amounts showing it improves bone health and that it reduces or has absolutely no benefit to bones/muscle. It's the individual's special situation that determines if whatever food is right..but overall, pasteurized milk and other dairy products are linked to joint problems, and most importantly, are INFLAMMATORY. How do people come to this conclusion when there are so many LARGE studies showing the opposite? Small scale, CASE studies which provide us with a more narrow/specific insight, although there are enormous amounts of scientific data showing milk is not helping bone problems. My problem with large studies is that they disregard so many variables... and that people belive what the study says without questioning what was missing using their own logic.

Stop drinking dairy and your foot or whatever may improve. My friend was a workout buff and got injured all the time, he does not drink dairy anymore and seems to be doing better. It's these individual testimoies I trust more that extremely large studies which are generally easier to interpret than the more detailed specific case studies. Has anyone studied what happens to your joints after high impact loading consuming bee pollen, spirulina, colostrum, velvet deer antler, cacao, hemp seeds.... not yet, but I look forward to when I get the chance.

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Here's one of the studies I was talking about:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WB5-45NHYVG-HT&_user=10&_coverDate=09%2F10%2F1995&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1304848429&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=149fa6807bbf7c6e38243927155d3076

That study is maaad sweet . .  think about it, the cells recovered within 3 days and grew 60% greater than their original size (in a culture with weird chemicals in it I think? - so it does not reflect what would happen in the body) - but this brings to question, can we do a 1 rep exercise that increases our reactivity? I know you may think i'm crazy, but it makes sense to me. When I did maximal effort single leg drop jumps, I did 3 reps for each leg and I was done.


http://ajsm.highwire.org/content/25/6/873.short

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Athletics and Osteoarthritis

   1. Joseph A. Buckwalter, MD

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      Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics, Iowa City, Iowa

   1. Nancy E. Lane, MD

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      Division of Rheumatology, University of California at San Francisco, San Francisco, California

Abstract

Athletes, and an increasing number of middle aged and older people who want to participate in athletics, may question whether regular vigorous physical activ ity increases their risk of developing osteoarthritis. To answer this, the clinical syndrome of osteoarthritis must be distinguished from periarticular soft tissue pain associated with activity and from the development of osteophytes. Sports that subject joints to repetitive high levels of impact and torsional loading increase the risk of articular cartilage degeneration and the resulting clinical syndrome of osteoarthritis. However, moderate habitual exercise does not increase the risk of osteo arthritis ; selected sports improve strength and mobility in older people and people with mild and moderate osteoarthritis. People with abnormal joint anatomy or alignment, previous significant joint injury or surgery, joint instability, above-average body weight, distur bances of joint or muscle innervation or inadequate muscle strength probably have increased risk of osteo arthritis. These people and those with early osteoar thritis can benefit from regular physical activity, but they should have a careful evaluation of their joint structure and function before participation. They should consider measures that decrease the intensity and frequency of impact and torsional loading of joints, including use of sports equipment that decreases joint impact loading, maintaining or improving muscle strength, tone, and general conditioning so that muscle contractions help protect joints from injury and high impact, and decreasing body weight.


Yeah that's cool, but it doesn't explain anything about diet. But it tells us to keep in mind to perform exercises that aim to increase bone density and thereby prevent these types of probs. (remember the triple jump study and those triple jumpers' bone density . . . maybe everyone should do plyos for increased bone density, but start slower if already injured or aged)



http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a779153117&db=all

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Ok this and the last two don't say anything regarding what I was talking about, and don't show the LONG TERM effects of their activities on their bone structure. But it's neat that this shrinkage occurs . . . parallel to muscle damage after weight training.







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