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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2010, 05:28:17 pm »
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 ....and spam the fuck out the comments sections of every tfb/dunk vid on youtube, read over all the good posts on all the reputable sites and make webcam vids immediately afterwards, distributing the info like you thought of it.
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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2010, 05:44:31 pm »
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....and spam the fuck out the comments sections of every tfb/dunk vid on youtube, read over all the good posts on all the reputable sites and make webcam vids immediately afterwards, distributing the info like you thought of it.

i don't mind hiller that much, seems mostly like he puts out some good info (from what i've seen on his vids), but he's always pissed me off with the spamming shit.. i sort through dunk/vert videos every few days, and usually i have to skip over 20 or so of his spam videos for jump manual every time.. lately it's been less, probably doesn't need to do that as much anymore.

and ya i've noticed he does take people's writings/advice and pass it off as his own, he did that with adam linkauger (can't ever spell that shit), that was pretty dirty..

so ya, he's got a good side and a bad side, don't know whether he is neutral or slightly more towards bad side, i kind of lean towards the latter, i dno.. i'd have to see jump manual one day to see what he's about, i know zgin has always told me how much he thought it was such trash etc, a few other people told me that too, but then i've also seen some legit positive feedback..

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2010, 06:05:20 pm »
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Yep, that and trying to spam the site with hidden links, and all the dumb comments on peoples dunk videos, like this one,

 
"2 months ago TeamFlightBrothers great video, reminds me of me in college - ha. I'm 5 7 and I am able to windmill dunk. I used the famous training program that pro players including Kobe Ray Allen and Areans used.? If you want more info about the program, check out - "50inch vertical (dot) com"

TFB::Dunks:: Guess who's Back ... 5'9" T-DUB!!Sprite Dunk Contest ewwbrxgggwhpq aprczeowempdwkflzf #TeamFlightBrothers"

This is just one of about 10,000 but you get the drift, spammy ass comments with catchy link name directed at gulliable youth.  
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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2010, 06:16:01 pm »
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Yep, that and trying to spam the site with hidden links, and all the dumb comments on peoples dunk videos, like this one,

 
"2 months ago TeamFlightBrothers great video, reminds me of me in college - ha. I'm 5 7 and I am able to windmill dunk. I used the famous training program that pro players including Kobe Ray Allen and Areans used.? If you want more info about the program, check out - "50inch vertical (dot) com"

TFB::Dunks:: Guess who's Back ... 5'9" T-DUB!!Sprite Dunk Contest ewwbrxgggwhpq aprczeowempdwkflzf #TeamFlightBrothers"

This is just one of about 10,000 but you get the drift, spammy ass comments with catchy link name directed at gulliable youth.  

i've seen those 50 inch vertical dot com links everywhere, never clicked them, didn't know it was him...

ya that shit is so annoying..

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2010, 07:02:32 pm »
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Jacob's wife is totally hot. I am going to have to hit him on facebook about this.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2010, 07:58:19 pm »
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Jacob's wife is totally hot. I am going to have to hit him on facebook about this.

she's hot.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2010, 08:07:42 pm »
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LOL WTF omg omg omg. hilarious.. (i think its shopped though)


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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2010, 08:10:20 pm »
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watch out girl, there's someone coming 4u.


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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2010, 03:05:38 am »
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Damn, is this Twin Peaks?

I never knew 50 inches.com was his site...

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2010, 05:05:47 am »
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Yep, that and trying to spam the site with hidden links, and all the dumb comments on peoples dunk videos, like this one,

 
"2 months ago TeamFlightBrothers great video, reminds me of me in college - ha. I'm 5 7 and I am able to windmill dunk. I used the famous training program that pro players including Kobe Ray Allen and Areans used.? If you want more info about the program, check out - "50inch vertical (dot) com"

TFB::Dunks:: Guess who's Back ... 5'9" T-DUB!!Sprite Dunk Contest ewwbrxgggwhpq aprczeowempdwkflzf #TeamFlightBrothers"

This is just one of about 10,000 but you get the drift, spammy ass comments with catchy link name directed at gulliable youth.  

i've seen those 50 inch vertical dot com links everywhere, never clicked them, didn't know it was him...

ya that shit is so annoying..

Damnnn , that was him?
Never clicked on those messages to see who it is , i should have! Those were sooooo annoying!
Also the spam youtube testimonials when you search for "dunk" , GRRRGNMNFDS!@#%^%$#!@!

Ill also second what everyone says about his stuff having "stolen" taste , like he is reproducting other people's stuff.
Still , thats better than have you do 500 BW jump squats or "core + calve raises + stretching". I prefer "stolen" legit advice than original major BS.
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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2010, 05:53:07 am »
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Hey, what about StretchExpert?

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2010, 06:02:56 am »
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Hey, what about StretchExpert?

lol..

i like stretchexpert, as a person.. i think he's genuine and really cares, but he's just not knowledgeable on proper training methods, i mean his basic recommendation for vert is some really weak exercises and AIS stretching.. he has lots of nice 'motivational videos' on how to approach training, thought process, and random life shizz.. which is good for the youngins who watch his vids.

i still watch most of his videos :F

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2010, 07:00:59 am »
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I definitely prefer porn over StretchExpert. He comes second. I mean, he comes after me.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2010, 07:04:05 am »
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While I can't comment on everything Jacob has written I think it is hard to criticize the guy for trying to explain to people what the right way to train is and then suggesting that he shouldn't because he has allegedly stolen this information.

For example I know one of the things Jacob was accused of stealing was A-Links concept of the penultimate step (or the idea for using it in an article anyway), however the fact is that Adam didn't invent the penultimate step concept, it has been used by T&F coaches for years.

The same applies to KellyB claiming in his recent article that he introduced the concept of deficit testing. Seriously I nearly fell of my chair laughing when i read that. This was one of the first and most obvious things I was taught to do when I started training people (in the 90's). I am guessing it is a concept that has been around for years as well.

These aren't things that other guys have dibs on, this is common stuff. Maybe if Jacob came along and said he popularized the use of bands and the Russian conjugate system in powerlifting circles then maybe I could see a certain Lou Simmons getting a bit miffed, but just writing information about a topic that someone has already previously written about but is generally well known is not stealing.

Also, I would not be surprised to find a lot of those spam comments are not from Jacob but from one of his affiliates. If you saw in that video he is making a gobsmacking 500-1000 sales per month. That is mostly from Affiliates (I just checked Clickbank - 70% of sales come from affiliates. Compare that to Vertical Mastery - 2% Which is why I will be happy to make 500 in a year ha ha) Affiliates are more likely to use spammy techniques because they don't care about your reputation.

Out of interest I just checked out the other jump programs for affiliate activity

Jump Manual - 70%
Luke Lowery - 21%
VertFreak/Vert Mastery/VJB all well under 7%

So the top 2 most popular programs with affiliates are 2 programs I would put behind the next 3 listed in terms of programming (obviously Lowery WAY behind, Jump Manual is not bad, just not as much customisation which Jacob once told me he felt was over rated, which for beginners is reasonably true).

So Why do affiliates love Jacob and Lowery so much? Recurring commissions. Those 2 both offer the recurring commission upsell (in Lowery's case I am not sure it is actually offered though, I think you just get stung). There is a lesson in internet marketing for you.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2010, 07:31:48 am »
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  Of course Adam didnt invent the penultimate step, Adam made a video of him explaining it step by step, his way, (which by the way is not the same amongst different track and field jump coaches), and using hand claps as a cadence guide.  This dude comes along a short while later, AND MAKES THE EXACT SAME FUCKING VIDEO, USING THE EXACT SAME HAND CLAPS.  Adam has a very extensive background in track and field, Jacob has a vertical jump program, Adam was explaining the penultimate step the way it was taught to him, by his coaches, which as I said before is not the same as other coaches often have different methods of teaching it, and it got copied, fed back out by Jacob as if it were his info.   I mean if youre going to use someone elses info, just fucking give credit in the video.  He of course wouldnt do that as it would divert attention away from his program. 
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