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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4830 on: April 15, 2019, 11:05:46 am »
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Idk compartment syndrome was just something i came across on youtube when searching about shin splints. And the reason i made the connection is b/c i was contemplating getting some calf compressions but i realised it wouldnt really help b/c simply pulling socks up mades it worse, which sounds like what compartment syndrome is like (compression of fascia). still, ive had this for a long time now. it started when i started running from memory. That seems to be the trigger, altho doing high volume squatting can also seem to induce it as well. Now it's just seemingly gotten worse.

It's manifesting itself in squats, my right leg just seems weaker now. Im favouring the left a lot during squats b/c the right just seems to not be able to handle the load. It probably doesnt help i do my jumping with planting right leg either, which puts a ton of stress on it. and sometimes i think maybe the problem is upstream b/c the entire right leg just seems weirdly tight/immobile .. like from glutes and adductors down .. prob just need some decent rest.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4831 on: April 30, 2019, 06:53:32 pm »
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Bump.

How'd the tournament go?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4832 on: May 08, 2019, 10:38:45 pm »
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Does entropy usually take a posting break after the Easter tournament? Hope he's having a good deload and refreshing himself. He seems to put a lot of pressure on himself for this event.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4833 on: June 20, 2019, 03:34:51 am »
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I havent been able to train since i stopped logging .. along the way while training for the comp, i had picked up a knee injury, right knee was swollen etc. im still not sure what it is, ive been resting it and havent trained on it and still hasn't healed. Possibly torn ligaments.. still not sure which but today i had an MRI done so hopefully i can get some sort of closure soon. Waiting for the results .. they said by weds next week. Before this i had an ultrasound and xray done which came out clean. I was told the mri could take an hour and i was surprised when 15 mins in the guy came into the room and said you're done. I asked him that was short? And he said you held still and didnt move. Im just the kind of guy who would brag about how long his MRI took  :personal-record:. Was v. peaceful lying there with the gentle droning of the MRI machine, i wish i had been there longer but oh well.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4834 on: June 20, 2019, 07:59:21 am »
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that sucks man. hope there's no serious damage.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4835 on: June 20, 2019, 08:07:28 pm »
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x 2 man. Fingers crossed.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4836 on: June 21, 2019, 12:15:35 am »
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awful to hear man. :/

hope you're ok & the results aren't serious.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4837 on: June 21, 2019, 03:38:51 am »
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Best wishes from me too. Injuries are horrible!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4838 on: June 25, 2019, 02:28:52 am »
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Thanks guys. I just got the MRI back. Good news is i know what's wrong. Bad news is it sucks. It doesn't look like it's treatable or fixable in any way. When doc told me it hit me like a huge wave of sadness realising i've probably trained myself into this and i can't train myself out of it. Ive worn out the cartilage in my knee and the loose bits get stuck and cause the soreness, weakness, loss of stability ive been experiencing. It all adds up, amazing how a single can tell you so much. Not sure what i will do for health now .. i needed to do more cardio now i dont know if i can.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4839 on: June 25, 2019, 09:11:03 am »
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 :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu: :ffffffuuuuuu:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4840 on: June 25, 2019, 09:11:20 am »
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swimming?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4841 on: June 25, 2019, 08:30:55 pm »
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Thanks guys. I just got the MRI back. Good news is i know what's wrong. Bad news is it sucks. It doesn't look like it's treatable or fixable in any way. When doc told me it hit me like a huge wave of sadness realising i've probably trained myself into this and i can't train myself out of it. Ive worn out the cartilage in my knee and the loose bits get stuck and cause the soreness, weakness, loss of stability ive been experiencing. It all adds up, amazing how a single can tell you so much. Not sure what i will do for health now .. i needed to do more cardio now i dont know if i can.

Just worn out cartilage or arthritis too? There's a lot you can still do to help yourself. Maybe start by getting a few opinions on what you can do to help and strengthen the area.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4842 on: June 30, 2019, 07:19:28 pm »
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Thanks guys. I just got the MRI back. Good news is i know what's wrong. Bad news is it sucks. It doesn't look like it's treatable or fixable in any way. When doc told me it hit me like a huge wave of sadness realising i've probably trained myself into this and i can't train myself out of it. Ive worn out the cartilage in my knee and the loose bits get stuck and cause the soreness, weakness, loss of stability ive been experiencing. It all adds up, amazing how a single can tell you so much. Not sure what i will do for health now .. i needed to do more cardio now i dont know if i can.

absolutely sucks man. really hoping you can bounce back from this eventually.

any plans yet on maybe a second opinion? looking at potential cartilage repair techniques/operations? you mention it's not fixable in any way, but there might be some options out there.

your last statement is important: "Not sure what i will do for health now". Sounds like you're dealing with some major stuff right now, so it might be hard to focus on health, but it might be more important now than ever. I imagine the last thing you'd want to do is "let yourself go" and get out of shape + put on tons of weight, which would put more stress on your knee(s). I mean you could still focus on nutrition, potentially still do some "cardio" via walking or swimming/pool workouts (like LBSS mentioned), just anything you can find under pain threshold which could facilitate healing/strengthening/health benefits as well. You could also strengthen upper body, core, and even legs - but i imagine you would want to avoid "knee bends" under load (ie avoiding squats, lunges etc). You could still potentially do RDL's eventually, calf raises, upper, core, etc. BUT, you're going to have to drop the "aggressive approach to strength/performance training" and instead do everything safe, controlled, light-moderate and literally everything under pain threshold (not pushing through any pain), at least for a long while. toning down the hyper-aggressiveness will help you make less mistakes that could further injure you.

these moments suck and they can seem like there's no way out, but if you slowly re-focus on health itself, there's alot you can do and it'll help you keep your sanity. this stuff is awful & happens to many athletes, but the resulting "tangents" can sometimes be very rewarding.

hope you're doing ok man.

peace!

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« Reply #4843 on: September 16, 2019, 02:14:33 am »
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Updates! So that first MRI was not great. It was done with a only 1.5T machine at a small lab, and the radiologist who wrote the report on it diagnosed on a particularly blurry image. When i went to see the GP to get the report, she freaked me out made things were seem far worse than they actually were. But thankfully she had written a specialist referral and so I could finally see an expert, 3 months after injury, i'd finally get to see someone who knew about treating knee injuries. The GPs had just wasted my time with pointless scans and 'resting' which only made my leg muscles completely detrained and inhibited and ultimately did nothing to actually address the root of the problem. I wanted an MRI from day 1 but they simply would not do do one, it took a miracle to even get one in the first place (as i described earlier).

The ortho was looking at the MRI when i walked in and he said, yeah this isn't the best image, im not sure really sure I see what the radiologist had reported etc.  I explained how i hurt myself 3 months ago but i couldn't see him until now. He was annoyed that it took that long to do an MRI. 

He looked over my knee a bit and reassured me that i was going to be fine then finally said, we'll get you to do another MRI. At the hospital with a 3T machine. And the radio techs and radiologists were top notch at the hospital as opposed to the local lab near my place. This was what I was hoping for when i walked in to see him because to my eye, the image looked blurry too and i was hoping for a 3T MRI. But the catch was i had to wait 6 weeks till i saw the ortho again to get the MRI report. He thought PT would help me that's why he suggested 6 weeks. In the meantime he had told me to see a physiotherapist, to restore function to my leg muscles which had stopped firing (my quad pretty much disappeared), which i went to once and decided it wasn't going to be worthwhile. She had me do random weird exercises using the rope pulldown, that assume you're the typical sedentary person who needs 'core strength'.  I was especially disappointed because i was told she works with AFL athletes but i guess when you're dealing with young elite athletes, they must practically must heal themselves. All she needed to do was touch my abs to see i have no lack of ab development, it's not easy to stabilise heavy squats as a taller dude without a lot of core strength, the leverage just makes it impossible not to have impressive core development. Yes i had told her i had a history of heavy weight training. 

So 6 weeks later i would see the ortho again, i had taken NSAIDs since i first saw him at his advice, he said taking the NSAID and training would work better because it would let the body break the pain-muscle-inhibition cycle and allow me to gradually restore function to the muscles that had become dormant. It sounded good in theory but the problem was, my knee was still fucked up. So while his trick worked, the swelling in my knee went away significantly that it wasn't too dissimilar to my left knee , the pain remained at certain movements but i could start training again with some discomfort, eg at the bottom of a squat it hurt. Fully extending the leg with resistance hurt. So i stopped trying to rehab it, because i could tell the problem was just not going to be be fixed with exercise.

I walked into his office for the 2nd time and he was looking at the 2nd MRI. This is much better he said. I had reviewed it prior to seeing him and i could agree. The detail was amazing, jaw dropping. It picked up 3 bits of loose cartilage 3mm big, etc. He said do you want to continue with conservative treatment or do you want to do surgery? I blurted out surgery! He said i thought so. So 3 days later im getting the first surgery of my life. The whole thing took less than 9 minutes, they gave me a usb thumb drive of the whole thing. What i got was basically one of those cleanup surgeries NBA players get. A knee arthroscope. 2 days later i was off crutches, 3 days i was walking more or less with a normal gait. 2 weeks later i was off the NSAIDs and pain free doing exercises which previously hurt etc.

I've started rehabbing now .. but weirdly my leg muscles are not really responding to training. They wont activate properly .. when i do the leg extension machine, my R leg is half as strong as the L leg. it starts shaking uncontrollably even with light weight on the exercise. But at 4 weeks post, i can squat pain free now. I still haven't got full rom back though, but close to it. Apparently it takes about 6 to 8 weeks to restore normal function post .. something to do with synovial fluid taking that long to go back to normal.

tldr: things are on the up


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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4844 on: September 16, 2019, 06:38:53 am »
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that sucks, but ultimately rules. glad to hear things are improving, finally.  :highfive:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses