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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #840 on: April 15, 2023, 04:23:40 pm »
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Checking in to say that i have been lifting ~5 days a week continuously since since ~Oct 2021, and diet has been on point in that period too. BW up to ~78kg atm, maybe ~18 %bf, from 70kg, in a slow bulk.

Some benchmark lifts atm, in kg:

Squat: 120x10
Bench: 85x7, 102.5x1
Chin: BW+45x5
BW Row: 80x10
OHP: 65x1, 60x3
RDL: 140x8

Going to push weight to ~80kg then cut, might post progress pics here.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #841 on: April 15, 2023, 06:33:20 pm »
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since 2011?! :lololol:

good to hear from you.
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monday: strenf
tuesday: easy run one hour
wednesday: speed/hills
thursday: easy run one hour
friday: strenf/easy run
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #842 on: April 16, 2023, 05:04:17 am »
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since 2011?! :lololol:

good to hear from you.

woops lol, 2021
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #843 on: July 13, 2023, 08:01:35 am »
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Checking in to say that i have been lifting ~5 days a week continuously since since ~Oct 2021, and diet has been on point in that period too. BW up to ~78kg atm, maybe ~18 %bf, from 70kg, in a slow bulk.

Some benchmark lifts atm, in kg:

Squat: 120x10
Bench: 85x7, 102.5x1
Chin: BW+45x5
BW Row: 80x10
OHP: 65x1, 60x3
RDL: 140x8

Going to push weight to ~80kg then cut, might post progress pics here.

So hit 80kg and have been cutting for about 5 weeks now, usually weighing in around 77kg now. Not feeling particularly lean so will keep this going for a while, maybe down to like 70kg. Also started running, though at this weight I got a fair few annoying achilles niggles, so I've slowed that down for now. Might make it a bigger priority when I am light/lean.

Top lifts now:

Squat: 140 x 5
Bench: 97.5 x 4
Chin: BW+55x3
RDL: 160x9

pretty hyped by the gains there, they felt much more moderate from "inside" as it where. Bench more stuck than the other lifts, but that's fine whatever.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #844 on: July 31, 2023, 09:18:48 am »
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Quick update: Weighing in ~75.5kg most days lately, and down a notch on my lifting belt.

Need a deload this week. Has been 7 weeks of hard training and dieting + some big life stress (mother-in-law has been diagnosed with lung cancer, which looks to be operable, so there's reason to be optimistic, but still very scary of course).

So, did some moderate effort singles just to see where I am. Biceps and back still sore from a workout on Saturday, and legs felt tired from a run yesterday (achilles has been kind to me lately, probably thanks to weight loss + lower running volume). So, pleased with these numbers:

Squat: 150kg x 1 [could have had two, close to ass-to-grass, so that's pretty much a 2xBW squat).
Chin: BW+60kg x 1 [probably not getting two here, but could wasn't an all out effort by any means).

Last week I also hit 100kg x 3 on bench.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #845 on: October 11, 2023, 04:55:24 am »
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Quick update:

Finished diet early Sept at around 73kg, maybe 12-13% body fat, so stopped short of getting shredded. Was just getting a bit bored with it and some life stressors meant I didn't want any additional reasons to be grumpy. Back to slow gaining now. Didn't manage a one arm chin, but able to pretty consistently hit a single with only ~4kg of assistance from my pulley setup, so I think that will come next time I cut (if not sooner!).

Can consistently hit a triple with + 60kg on chinups. Also benched 105kg x 3. RDL 165x7. Stopped squatting and started doing hack squats at the gym instead.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #846 on: October 11, 2023, 10:37:52 am »
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pretty strong! why'd you stop squatting?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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sunday: slow run two hours
monday: strenf
tuesday: easy run one hour
wednesday: speed/hills
thursday: easy run one hour
friday: strenf/easy run
saturday: tempo

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #847 on: October 11, 2023, 05:09:21 pm »
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pretty strong! why'd you stop squatting?

Other than one arm chins, I have no particular strength goals and I just want to get jacked. So, my training is 90% hypertrophy stuff. I do frequent heavy chins stuff, and I'll do a heavy set of bench press or squat (now squat-like movement) before main sets just to get a sense of strength and for potentiation. Most bodybuilders do leg press/hack squat in order to get a bit more volume and more direct quad focus vs squats.

On top of that: I've done a lot of squats in my life and got a lil bored of them, whereas I can count on my fingers my lifetime leg press/hack squat sets.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #848 on: January 02, 2024, 01:17:45 pm »
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Decided that in 2024 I'll start logging on here again.

01-01-24

Seated Leg Curl
96x8 + 87x7
89x6 + 75x7

Leg Extension
60x12 + 55x7 + 50x7

Sissy Leg Press
120 x 7, 6

Neutral Machine Chest Press
16x4 [not used this machine before, this was fewer reps than I wanted]
15x5
14x7 + 12 x 4 + 10 x4

Pec-Dec
75x7 + 61 x 5 + 54x4 + 40 x 12

Panatta Machine Lateral
9+7+5+4+3+2 [cba to count reps, basically a drop set to failure with no rest at each of those settings]

OH Tricep Machine
35 x 6

Different OH Tricep Machine
25 x 10, 8
20 x 9

Dips
BW x 14 + 8 + 5

02-01-24

DB Pullover
25x15 + 20x9 + 15x11 + 12.5x10 + 10x10

Chins
BW x 21+5+4+3+2

DB Preacher Curl
15x4 + 12.5x7 +10x10 +7.5x15+12+10

A - BB Finger Curl
60x18, 12, 11, 10, 7, 5

B1 - BB Row
90 x 9, 7, 6

B2 Hammer Curl
15 x 17, 12, 9

Notes

Today's workout at home spread throughout the day, yesterday at the gym. Goals at are just muscle gainzz. Just doing a lot of freestyle training atm b/c schedule has been weird, so I've dropped specific one arm chin stuff, which I'll bring back soon. Away for a few days from Thursday so won't be training in that period. BW is ~75.5-76 atm, so I've gained a little over 2kg in 4 months since finishing the cut. I think I might diet again pretty soon with the aim of going sub 70kg, bc I didn't really get all that lean.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #849 on: January 11, 2024, 04:16:00 pm »
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11-01-24

BW 76.7

30 mins light-moderate effort on stationary bike

Notes

Weight will presumably stabilise a bit lower than this, but yeah I ate a lot on holiday so up about 1-1.2kg lol. Anyway, back home and back on my routine, with weight loss phase starting now. Aiming for like ~0.8% of total bodyweight lost per week. Aim is to finish somewhere around 70kg, but will see how I'm looking. Maybe I'll push this to get shredded for the first time in my life if I'm feeling good.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #850 on: January 12, 2024, 07:07:26 am »
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12-01-24

Assisted One Arm Chin
-10 x 1 @ 9rpe
-25 x 2@6, 2@7

A DB Incline
32.5 x 8, 7

B Chinups
+40 x 7

A DB Pullover
25 x 11, 9

B DB Flye
12.5 x 12, 8

A Lateral Raise
12.5 x 18, 14

B Lying Tri Extension
12.5 x 7
10 x 11

A DB Preacher
12.5 x 12, 10

B Good Morning
80 x 12, 10

A Reverse Nordic
BW x 11, 9 + 6

B Cable Abs
50 x 9, 7+8

Notes

First session back, just freestyled a full body thing. Plan is to generally be pretty relaxed about how I train, as long as I get the volume in each week. Only hard and fast rules will be 2 x weekly cardio, and 2 x weekly "strength" style work on assisted one arm chins.

Was on and off ill with colds and such through December, so haven't done any regular chin work for like 6 weeks, so am a bit weak there atm, hopefully that will spring back quickly. My understanding is that the science atm suggest that, while near/to failure is best for hypertrophy, staying <7 rpe is best for strength. So will try to a bunch of solid 1-3 rep sets at low RPEs on assited OACs, plus one harder single now and then to mark progress, and basically everything else done at 8-10 RPE.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #851 on: January 13, 2024, 12:03:50 pm »
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My understanding is that the science atm suggest that, while near/to failure is best for hypertrophy, staying <7 rpe is best for strength. So will try to a bunch of solid 1-3 rep sets at low RPEs on assited OACs, plus one harder single now and then to mark progress, and basically everything else done at 8-10 RPE.

that's interesting. at some point in the past 6-7 years i stopped nerding out on training research the way i did in my 20s. all other things being equal, hypertrophy=strength gains, so this is news to me. you got a reference? i'm curious.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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sunday: slow run two hours
monday: strenf
tuesday: easy run one hour
wednesday: speed/hills
thursday: easy run one hour
friday: strenf/easy run
saturday: tempo

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #852 on: January 14, 2024, 05:15:39 am »
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My understanding is that the science atm suggest that, while near/to failure is best for hypertrophy, staying <7 rpe is best for strength. So will try to a bunch of solid 1-3 rep sets at low RPEs on assited OACs, plus one harder single now and then to mark progress, and basically everything else done at 8-10 RPE.

that's interesting. at some point in the past 6-7 years i stopped nerding out on training research the way i did in my 20s. all other things being equal, hypertrophy=strength gains, so this is news to me. you got a reference? i'm curious.

Yeah was pretty surprising to me too, but has ultimately come to make sense as I've thought about it.

I think the basic gist is that long term, you obviously want to maximise hypertophy b/c bigger muscle = stronger muscle in general and for low-skill movements. But if you want to maximise strength-specific adaptations on a single movement, then you want the practice to be as useful and specific as possible. So you want every training rep to at the sweet spot of fast + heavy, so you keep the RPE/velocity loss pretty moderate. Then, since each set is easier, you can do more total reps that are both (a) use a heavy load and (b) involve moving the bar/yourself fast. So, more, and better, specific practice.

So in running terms, you're conflating the the utility of the general prep of hypertrophy (i.e. base phase) with the specific practice of strength training (i.e. sharpening workouts like 5 x 1km for a 5k). Or like, we know that gaining muscle from moderate rep squats will help your vert, but at some point to maximise that you need to just practice jumping. 1 x 10 squats is more specific to 1rm squat than jumping, but still less so than practicing singles.

This is the latest big meta-analysis on RPE in general: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370837310_Exploring_the_Dose-Response_Relationship_Between_Estimated_Resistance_Training_Proximity_to_Failure_Strength_Gain_and_Muscle_Hypertrophy_A_Series_of_Meta-Regressions

It's relatively clear in showing that higher RPE = better muscle gainz on a per set basis, and also shows that you don't need to go to balls-to-the-wall RPE to max out strength gains.

This is the latest meta-analysis specifically on RPE/velocity loss for strength: https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/11/3/337

This is the key chart from the strength meta:



And yeah since I am in a fat loss phase, I'm not expecting to make any meaningful gains in back muscle, so I am happy to reduce my overall volume and do a bunch of "heavy easy" OAC sets in place of that work.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #853 on: January 15, 2024, 07:39:24 am »
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15-01-24

Morning BW - 75.7

Seated Leg Curl
96 x 8 + 82 x 5
89 x 9 + 75 x 6

Sissy Leg Press
130 x 9, 9
120 x 6

45* Back Ext
+55 x 15, 11

HS Iso Incline Press
80 x 9, 7
60 x 15

DB Flye
12.5 x 13, 10

A Cable OH Extension
26.25 x 14, 12, 9
23.75 x 10

B Cable Lateral Raise
16.25 x 9
13.75 x 11, 9
11.25 x 11

Dips
BW x 12+7+5

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #854 on: January 16, 2024, 07:26:26 am »
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16-01-24

Assisted OAC
-10 x 1
-25 x 1, 1, 1

DB Pullover
25 x 12, 11

BB Row
90 x 10, 7

20mm Grip Lifts
50 x 1, 1
55 x 1, 1
40 x 15, 12

DB Preacher
15 x 4
12.5 x 7, 6
10 x 13

BB Finger Curl
60 x 16, 13, 9, 8, 6

Cable Crunch
45 x 12, 9
40 x 11, 8

Notes

Surprisingly back still kind of sore from Friday, and I think something from yesterday made my biceps sore, maybe the flyes? Surprising. Anyway, decent sesh.
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