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scoobychau

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Jumping in water to avoid Joint impact?
« on: August 09, 2017, 05:45:02 am »
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I am sure this is nothing New... I was at the pool last week with my kid without my swimming goggle, so i could not really swim..

what i did is doing half squat plyometric in water.
Single leg bounding with triple extension  like running in the pool.
I find it a bit hard to activate my glute going fwd... so i try going backward...

I could not really feel the effect the next day... (may be i did not do enough of it...)   it is kind of weird and probably annoy other swimmer at the pool.

Now i know it would be nearly in possible to train the loading/down phase of the jump while in water.
but the triple extension seem to make sense. 

I even try to do some tuck jump also.

after i got home.. i google a bit..
a crazy one :
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NaMusQ170" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NaMusQ170</a>
a more settle one:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FpZTJEY1bU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FpZTJEY1bU</a>

and some obvious written article:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/214580-swimming-pool-workouts-that-can-help-you-jump-higher/

and good old jack woordrup:
http://www.verticaljumping.com/pool_plyometrics.html


what do u guys think...?
it will be alot of hazzle for me to go to the pool often that is for sure..
but my kneed joint... is not going to get better ....if i continue to jump as hard as I am.. ( consider i rested 1 month.. and the knee pain... is still there.  slightly)
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Re: Jumping in water to avoid Joint impact?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2017, 12:43:30 am »
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I don't think jumping in water helps much in terms of plyometrics. But simply getting in the water helps get the soreness out of muscles and recovery.
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Re: Jumping in water to avoid Joint impact?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2017, 10:44:06 am »
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Ye, It wouldn't really help in plyometrics training, as you want to train your body to adapt to shocks and strengthen the ligament that way and increasive explosiveness of the muscle. But with pool workout it can help as resistance training and help develop explosiveness if done correctly.

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Re: Jumping in water to avoid Joint impact?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2017, 06:07:07 pm »
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as mentioned above, pool exercises definitely don't help much in terms of plyometric training, because the eccentric component is basically gone.

It can help a bit with pure concentric strength, due to the resistance the water provides. I imagine pool sprinting is probably more effective at strengthening up some muscles involved with sprinting or single leg jumping due to the resisted knee drive.

Anything involving arm swing under water will provide resistance to the shoulders and probably give some small power increases there too, so sprinting, single leg jumping, double leg jumping etc - as long as the arm swing is resisted, this would definitely yield some benefit.

Aside from that, the real power of pool workouts is in recovery (like FDL said), movement efficiency maintenance/improvement, and/or rehab. You could perform significantly more jumps in the pool which could be a great way to get more work in without taxing yourself, especially if you're dealing with some potential injury issues where you want to get some skill work in with much less risk of aggravating the issue (if you were to perform jumps on land).

I'm sore as hell right now, I could definitely benefit from a pool workout to get the blood flowing without wrecking myself with higher impact forces on land.

As for performance, like seifullaah73 said, going "max effort" in a pool is still pretty powerful - you have the max effort voluntary signals to the muscle, without the load of impact/landing. That in itself can still be taxing on the CNS, which is a good thing .. less load on the muscles/joints, but still trying to recruit muscle as fast and explosively as possible. But that's basically a "real training session", though not experiencing as much landing/impact forces, it's still pretty intense. Submax effort would be more of a "movement" session.



Honestly tho, sounds like we need a pool workouts for performance thread in the Peer Review section:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=water+workout+vertical+jump&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10

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Re: Jumping in water to avoid Joint impact?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 11:51:35 pm »
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Talk about soreness.

I may discover a new weakest link... I Know with a month off,  resuming exercise will lead to ultimate soreness... but never did i felt my adductor as burn out as this.
I can have trouble lifting up my upper leg from sitting (getting off a car, off bed... putting pants on etc)

My adductor muscle is completely sore to the max mad.

I can only think of 2 things i did that costed this.
- Low mini consecutive tuck jump in water (while remain squat position, preform tuck jump in water)
- Captain chair leg raise variation.
- Squat.... (i doubt this is the reason)


this is weird, and i am puzzled. 
all my body is sore... chest, bicept, tripcept. abs, quad, ham, calf... I expected all this..
but the adductor is... just... completely new.  I mean it is ok to be sore.. but not this this level.


This make me wonder... wats is going on...
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