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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 09:45:18 am »
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also, this might be brosciency, but the more upright/vertical i can keep my torso during a pull-up, the more lat involvement. leaning back and bringing the hips forward, the way most people do it, engages my arms more. that's true at least by feel.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 08:08:58 pm »
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also, this might be brosciency, but the more upright/vertical i can keep my torso during a pull-up, the more lat involvement. leaning back and bringing the hips forward, the way most people do it, engages my arms more. that's true at least by feel.

Not broscience imo. One way is more like a chin up, the other is closer to a row which has different muscle involvements.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2012, 05:20:13 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

 Grip doesnt matter as much as how you pull.  Try touching your elbows together behind your back.  Next bring your wrist to your shoulder.  The more your pull/chin is like the first one, the more "back" youre going to target.  The closer it is to the second one, the more bicep.

I just tried that recommendation, I can feel the difference. I think the way you decribed for back is also the way Hannibal for king pulls in his many bw pull-up feats
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2012, 06:52:17 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

 Grip doesnt matter as much as how you pull.  Try touching your elbows together behind your back.  Next bring your wrist to your shoulder.  The more your pull/chin is like the first one, the more "back" youre going to target.  The closer it is to the second one, the more bicep.

I just tried that recommendation, I can feel the difference. I think the way you decribed for back is also the way Hannibal for king pulls in his many bw pull-up feats

Yea, you will see a similarity there with most those guys who have nutty pulling strength, its always a very "back" dominated pull.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2012, 12:20:36 am »
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I still find it hard keeping torso vertical during chin ups. Well i guess it's alright seeing frank yang's torso aint vertical too. pullups much easier though

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2012, 06:29:42 am »
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Pull your feet under your butt to be more stable.

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2012, 12:27:28 pm »
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yeah what raptor said -- tighten the backs of your legs while you're doing them. much stabler.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 09:51:34 pm »
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so if i'm adding dumbbells i'll onyly be able to do  a straight leg variation :/

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 10:53:09 pm »
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so?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2012, 11:01:04 am »
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bring a belt to the gym and put it through the hole in the plate. or through one of the handles if your plates have handles.

even better, if your gym has a belt for the lower back, attach a chain to it and put the chain through the plate
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2012, 11:08:51 am »
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I always use dumbbells... even used a 30 kg dumbbell. I put it between my legs, right under my sack. The dumbbell bar might smell afterwards if you're into that, but otherwise it's all good.

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2012, 12:15:19 pm »
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bring a belt to the gym and put it through the hole in the plate. or through one of the handles if your plates have handles.

even better, if your gym has a belt for the lower back, attach a chain to it and put the chain through the plate
lol i can imagine thanks for telling. i'm using dumbbels since it's easier to carry around. See how I progress:)

I always use dumbbells... even used a 30 kg dumbbell. I put it between my legs, right under my sack. The dumbbell bar might smell afterwards if you're into that, but otherwise it's all good.
LOL. hahah 30kg is kfing crazy man. what's ur bodyweight?


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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2012, 12:48:07 pm »
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I'm at 87 kg right now. Used a 30 kg dumbbell to see if I can make 1 rep... probably could've gotten about 3 reps though. Can definitely chinup more weight than 117 kg.

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2012, 12:39:36 am »
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I'm at 87 kg right now. Used a 30 kg dumbbell to see if I can make 1 rep... probably could've gotten about 3 reps though. Can definitely chinup more weight than 117 kg.

dayum 87kg hows your height? i'm only 60 and 87 would look pretty big wouldnt you?
btw created a thread about chin ups being harder than pull ups for me and it's not really in topic so jsut thought I'd start a thread meant for that issue.
http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/chin-ups-feels-as-hard-as-pull-ups-the-heck/new/#new

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2012, 01:10:37 pm »
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I'm 5'11-6'0 @ 191 lbs right now. I've started to cut down now.