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weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« on: October 31, 2012, 12:10:16 am »
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Hey just wondering, i've been doign weighted pull ups for a while now, and was wondering if i should do weighted chin ups instead or something. I'm doing it 2x a week currently. will be changing my routine from 3x a week to 2x a week, probably getting bench press and pullups on one workout and then shoulder press and chinups/pullups on another.

thoughts?

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 12:36:19 am »
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Hey just wondering, i've been doign weighted pull ups for a while now, and was wondering if i should do weighted chin ups instead or something. I'm doing it 2x a week currently. will be changing my routine from 3x a week to 2x a week, probably getting bench press and pullups on one workout and then shoulder press and chinups/pullups on another.

thoughts?

cheers

It doesn't freakin matter....  Do one or the other...  Bench and Pull Ups one day?  Then do Chin ups on the 2nd... If you choose not to, hardly makes a difference.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 01:33:16 am »
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It has to be chinups with a 8.78 inch grip distance or they don't work AT ALL

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 10:35:21 am »
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Hey just wondering, i've been doign weighted pull ups for a while now, and was wondering if i should do weighted chin ups instead or something. I'm doing it 2x a week currently. will be changing my routine from 3x a week to 2x a week, probably getting bench press and pullups on one workout and then shoulder press and chinups/pullups on another.

thoughts?

cheers

depends. want more work for your biceps and don't want to do curls, or just pulling more weight cause it makes you feel like a badass*? go with chin-ups. want more work for your back, or working towards doing a muscle-up? go with pull-ups.

but if you just want general work for your upper body with no particular goal in mind, D4 is right. it doesn't really matter.

*no judgment, it feels cooler to use more weight and you're not really likely to hurt yourself doing it.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 07:30:43 pm »
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this is assuming same width. That will play a bigger difference imo. CLose grip as lbss said hits arms more, wide grip hits back more. half-rom hits arms more, full rom his back more. unless you only do bottom half rom which hits back more.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 01:26:31 am »
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Can we not use the term 'back"? Contrary to popular belief, chinups should hit your lats more, while pullups/wide grip should hit your rear delts/rhomboids/teres major more. Just look at the functions of the muscle. I don't really care what such and such has to say. It's basic anatomy. Doesn't really matter though. Do whatever one you like more which is probably going to be chinups because they are easier.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2012, 01:28:39 am by TheSituation »
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 10:24:34 am »
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yeah my explanation was very simplistic and ignorant honestly. Thesituation is onto something.


Found a nice report on the differences.


"3) It is interesting to note that the major muscles involved (pectoralis major - sternal portion, latissimus
dorsi and teres major) are the prime movers in either the supinated or pronated grip. However, only
the upper latissimus is involved when the pronated grip is used and only the lower latissimus with the
supinated grip. Thus by using both grips you can get full development of this muscle while still
involving the others to almost the same extent."


"When a fairly wide pronated grip is used and the back of the neck is brought up to the bar, the
latissimus dorsi muscle pulls in a straighter line and exhibits greater force. The lower pectoralis major,
however, is favored when the chin is brought above the bar when using either grip."
http://kinesconnection.com/exercisepdfs/Chin-upPull-up.pdf
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 11:43:43 am »
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I do chin ups because its more comfortable for me and I want to build bigger lats. I just wish I could use a wider grip for them but that hurts my wrists like hell (my gym doesn't have kinked chin up bars). Also, I get a bigger ROM with chins than pull ups.

To work my upper back, I do pendlay rows with an overhand grip and deadlifts (the lockout at the top works your upperback).



Generally, if I were to do pullups, I would do rows with an underhand grip and vice versa. But I would suggest chin ups with a slightly wider grip and use rows and deadlifts to build thickness in your back.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 11:48:33 am by Dreyth »
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 01:25:11 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2012, 01:41:36 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
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wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 01:48:59 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

 :pokerface:
  So are you at a loss for words? or just not a  good constructive poster/reply type of person? I'm just asking what type of chinup gets the most lat stimulation.


I reread the thread, I'm assuming a wider grip chinup would get more lat stimulation, but is this more lat stimulation that a wide grip pullup? I still don't know
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 01:55:39 pm by pelham32 »
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2012, 01:56:39 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

 :pokerface:
  So are you at a loss for words? or just not a  good constructive poster/reply type of person? I'm just asking what type of chinup gets the most lat stimulation.

the former.
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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 02:18:00 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

 :pokerface:
  So are you at a loss for words? or just not a  good constructive poster/reply type of person? I'm just asking what type of chinup gets the most lat stimulation.

the former.

But the former also implies the latter, or atleast your unwillingness to answer a simple question. I guess your just too smart for me that I can't even get an answer. My mind is boggled like this  :o
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2012, 03:50:39 pm »
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Wide grip =/= more lat stimulation. If you want to hit your lats you should do a chin up with your hands shoulder width apart. No this will not be more of an arm exercise. There's a lot more to your back than lats though.
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Re: weighted:pullups vs chin ups?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2012, 04:56:16 pm »
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So what would be a good example of a chin-up with roughly equal bicep and lat stimulation? A wider grip? I like the chin-up bc I can feel my lower abs contract really hard transitioning from down to up. Would pull-ups or chin-ups on rings be roughly equal in muscle stimulation?

 Grip doesnt matter as much as how you pull.  Try touching your elbows together behind your back.  Next bring your wrist to your shoulder.  The more your pull/chin is like the first one, the more "back" youre going to target.  The closer it is to the second one, the more bicep.
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