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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 03:43:24 am »
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Jamaican sprint star Powell, a former 100m world record holder, confirmed that he had tested positive for a banned stimulant at his country's national trials for Moscow.

This is kinda soft isn't it? It's like being banned from drinking coffee or something.
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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 03:54:42 am »
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Jamaican sprint star Powell, a former 100m world record holder, confirmed that he had tested positive for a banned stimulant at his country's national trials for Moscow.

This is kinda soft isn't it? It's like being banned from drinking coffee or something.

This link has a more comprehensive explanation- 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/10178657/Athletics-in-drug-crisis-after-sprint-stars-Tyson-Gay-and-Asafa-Powell-test-positive-for-banned-substances.html

Oxilofrine (also known as methylsynephrine, hydroxyephrine, oxyephrine, and 4-HMP) is a stimulant drug[1] is an amphetamine chemically related to ephedrine and to synephrine. The stimulant was probably being used as a masking agent to cover up steroids or whatever. Yohan Blake got caught testing positive to a stimulant a few years back. I've got no doubt that he's on something 2. Powell and Gay are kind of the last people that I would suspect of being positive though. Like Tyson Gay seemed like such a respectable athlete when you watch his videos or see articles about him in his campaigns for clean sport but I guess that was just a front.
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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 07:16:55 am »
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Everybody takes steroids in sprinting just as in biking (like Tour de France). It's just a matter of how well you mask it and if you're caught or not. What's so "shocking" about this?

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 07:56:05 am »
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Oxilofrine (also known as methylsynephrine, hydroxyephrine, oxyephrine, and 4-HMP) is a stimulant drug[1] is an amphetamine chemically related to ephedrine and to synephrine. The stimulant was probably being used as a masking agent to cover up steroids or whatever.

No.  Oxilofrine is not a masking agent.  Entropy is right, this is a really soft positive test and it's a product of an overzealous testing protocol.  Oxilofrine exists only because supplement companies keep switching to new stimulants after that repeatedly get banned (ephedrine, synephrine, etc.)  Yohan was popped for taking Jacked 3d.  C'mon, people on the forum probably take that stuff....    That's not to say he's not on a lot more out of competition.... BUT the positive tests returned by the testers are very often complete BS. 

Everybody takes steroids in sprinting just as in biking (like Tour de France). It's just a matter of how well you mask it and if you're caught or not. What's so "shocking" about this?

That's not a fair comparison.  Doping is in cycling but not in male sprinting.   You simply can't compete without blood doping; the same isn't true in sprinting.  Drugs help some sprinters but a lot of athletes who were on drugs will admit that they were skeptical about whether or not they actually helped them perform.  A lot of athletes take them because they look for any edge they can get; but then again a lot of athletes wear funny bracelets and magnetized necklaces looking for a boost as well.  While testing isn't near perfect; drug testing today is WAY more strict than 25 years ago.   If drugs were required in sprinting then the records 1988 and prior would be better than the records 1998-present (I'm allowing a ten year period for implementation of changes)...   

However the sprint records 1988 and prior in the 1,2,4,8 are [ 9.92, 19.72A, 43.28, 141,1 ].   Since 1998 men have ran [ 9.58, 19.19 43.18, 140.9 ].   Improvement across the board.  The same statistics for women show [ 10.49, 21.34, 47.60, 153.2 ] and [ 10.64, 21.69, 48.89, 155.1 ].    Clearly they have gotten worse since the advent of drug testing.   Thus, you can't make the argument that faster tracks, better shoes, more technology, etc have improved male times in spite of drug testing because the women have all those advantages too.   The simple fact is that drugs are required in womens sprinting.  That's not to say that any particular female is on drugs, but just that if one has access to androgens she will have a clear advantage over another and the other will be required to use drugs to compete.

I understand fans like Raptor are disillusioned with the idea of a clean athlete... But you have to understand that athletes use anything they can get their hands on whether it helps or not.  The bottom line is your favorite cyclist is surely doping.  You favorite male sprinter and basketball player probably are too.... but they don't have to! 

I for one hate USADA more than anything.  They show up at your door at any hour of the day and treat you like an animal.  The are run by a bunch of doctors who really don't understand athletics and have this really condescending attitude but probably all got on adderall to get through medical school; and they punish our athletes more than most national testing programs.  Since most tested athletes are not stupid enough now to take useful known drugs if they are tested USADA has instead decided to expand the list of banned substances to pretty much everything you can imagine so they can get more positive tests.  They need positive tests to argue for more money (ie. they need to make the argument that drugs are a problem) so they end of ruining careers of our athletes who took sampled some drink at GNC.

I don't really understand the point of testing your own athletes.   I get that the NBA might conduct drug tests.  They do this to make sure it's fair between the teams.  But the Miami Heat don't need to drug test extra.  Why put their team at a disadvantage?  Similarily let WADA do the testing at the Olympics or if they can afford it let them do out-of-competition testing if they want.  But why should we spend money to bring athletes on our team down?

Thanks for ruining the world championships.  Not what track and field needed.  More money to the testers, less to the sport.   They are no better than cops with speed traps.

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 08:11:47 am »
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Tyson gay AND ASAFA POWELL got positive result from the drug tests, I bet justin gatlin is doing covering up his usage.
Its only time before usain bolt is caught as well.

But they still have the B sample. even so gay said he is pulling out. what a dissapointment.

So this could have been found in his training supplement's like protein shake, but not actual PED's.
Now who else has a chance of winning the IAAF besides Usain bolt or Yohan Blake.
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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 08:41:15 am »
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Tyson gay AND ASAFA POWELL got positive result from the drug tests, I bet justin gatlin is doing covering up his usage.
Its only time before usain bolt is caught as well.

Unless you know something about Bolt that we don't know.... That's a really irresponsible comment.   This is obviously is not a heavily trafficked place but you would be surprised how badly you can hurt someone's reputation when you make unfounded claims about them.   

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 09:35:23 am »
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oh come on, it's not like seifullah is the first person to make that comment about bolt. practically every article i've seen on this has some version of, "what about usain bolt, hmmmmm?"

i agree with you though that USADA and WADA are going overboard with this shit.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 09:43:54 am »
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I don't know about you but for me... in this athletic world... everybody is guilty until proven innocent. It's just naive people that think otherwise.

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 11:02:52 am »
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SMH. Seems from what Tyson is saying he knows exactly what happened and isn't happy about it. Whether that means it was intentional or not we'll never now.

It is interesting that I'd test positive because I've taken something like Jacked as a pre-workout boost on days when Im bleh lol
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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2013, 01:04:54 pm »
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I didn't claim anything, but it can be any time soon before USADA and WADA do the same with bolt.
I don't know much about bolt so won't claim he is using PED's, this was the same with gay and powell.

USADA and WADA are ruining the reputation of the sprinters. Now gay is out of the world championship.


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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 02:07:49 pm »
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I agree with that. I think they overemphasize "soft" stuff like coffeine and stuff like that which is kinda weaksauce. To be honest, I am pro-PED. Just legalize them and be done with them.

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 03:11:33 am »
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Yeah as to the effectiveness of drugs I  have limited knowledge and can't really comment since I've never taken steroids or even taken any pre-workout supps. From anecdotal evidence and from what I've read online it seems that steroids can take up to .2 seconds off a 100m for a male but with females they can take up to .4 seconds off a 100m time. I guess it also depends on how the person reacts. Like there are some people that can take steroids and just blow up because their body uses them really efficiently. A perfect example of this theory is Kevin Levrone. Than on the other hand you have people that don't react well to them (most top natural bodybuilders).

Mark Kerr was a pro MMA fighter think he was like a world champ or some shit but here is his opinion on steroids.

"I would never tell anyone to do steroids, would never promote it. But they do work. They give you strength and especially help in the ability to recover between fights. Steroids help an athlete from missing too many days of training. That is the biggest plus." he says matter-of-fact. "But it's not the easy way as some people perceive. They are not going to make you more talented. Realistically, if you were like me with natural talent and aptitude, it will help. Conversely, steroids alone won't make you snap, unless it's already within your nature."

Kerr doesn't want sympathy or clemency for steroid users, but feels a better understanding of the "reality" of the drug is needed as to what it can and cannot do for an athlete.

"Steroids will not make you crazy if the tendency isn't there already just as they won't make you a great athlete if you aren't already. Here's what they will do. If you run the 40 (yards) in 4.6, you can get it down to 4.4. If you bench 400 you can increase that to 450. If you have a vertical (jump) of 36 (inches) you might get to 40. But you have to be great to be greater, it's not as magical as many perceive."

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Re: Asafa Powell & Tyson Gay Fail Drug Tests
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 08:38:38 am »
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Kinda offtopic but not sure which thread to post in

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yipZlPl6_sc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yipZlPl6_sc</a>

NBA celebs discussing PEDs in sport, starts around 11:48. Such a dumb discussion, like most of these debates you have the pragmatic side and the hardline anti drug one.

On one hand I can't imagine someone squeaky clean like Jeremy Lin taking PEDs. But how the hell is he so quick compared to all the other players out there. He's big and strong as well for his height and weight and something tells me it's not from doing squats and oats. In fact i doubt any NBA player has time for that stuff, so its prob just genetics plus drugs giving elite performances we enjoy today.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 12:47:37 pm »
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I agree with that. I think they overemphasize "soft" stuff like coffeine and stuff like that which is kinda weaksauce. To be honest, I am pro-PED. Just legalize them and be done with them.

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