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Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« on: February 02, 2011, 12:33:49 pm »
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http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it

I trust this article a bit more than the others because there's no product placement in it. Read up, sounds interesting and plausible.
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 12:39:48 pm »
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http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it

I trust this article a bit more than the others because there's no product placement in it. Read up, sounds interesting and plausible.

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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 12:44:26 pm »
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Why not? I'm definitely a skeptic but I'm looking for faults in the article.  BUT PLEASE READ:

Spot reduction is definitely not possible in the way that we think it is (ONLY losing fat in ONE area), but what the author is saying is that we may have stubborn areas due to some certain causes, and if we help do away with some of those causes, those stubborn areas wont be stubborn... they'll just be like most other areas. regular. Which means at THAT point, the body will actually be closer to losing fat more evenly over different parts.

He's not saying that we can actually lose more fat in a "stubborn area" than any other area, he's saying that maybe we can get the level of fat loss in a "stubborn area" closer to the level that it occurs in the rest of the body, therefore allowing for a more even distribution of fat loss.

Don't get it wrong, "spot reduction" is just in the title (of this post and the article as well) just to grab attention. Please understand the philosophy.
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 03:40:25 pm »
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There's no such thing as a stubborn area. Fat distribution is genetic there's nothing you can do about it. I know this because I'm the opposite of most people. I don't have much fat in my stomach area, but I have a lot in my back and arms. This allows me to have a 6 pick at relatively high bodyfat levels (for 6 pack standards), but it makes it hard for me to have impressive arms.

His logic is retarded. Make your stomach warmer so you burn fat there? The other areas of my body are still warm, so wouldn't the fat continue to come off in those areas?
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 03:58:17 pm »
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Your very large sentence contradicts itself. If you can create a more even distribution of fat loss, why can't you create a differently uneven distribution of fat loss? The mechanism -- increased heat to areas of desired loss -- would be the same, just taking it to different levels.

Although, if the mechanism works, then girls should be able to lose weight without losing boob size by keeping their boobs cool during workouts.

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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 04:48:26 pm »
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The other areas of my body are still warm, so wouldn't the fat continue to come off in those areas?

uh.... yeah... he kinda said that. the point is that fat comes off slower in "colder" areas, so maybe warming them up will allow fat to come off a little quicker. lets not misquote anybody.

whether "warming up your stomache" is effective or not (probably just 1% effective honestly). im in no way advocating for this retarded method, i'm just looking to have a valid discussion about an argument the guy is making. that's what interests me, because it is SOMEWHAT of a tiny paradigm shift, which i've always loved.

Your very large sentence contradicts itself. If you can create a more even distribution of fat loss, why can't you create a differently uneven distribution of fat loss? The mechanism -- increased heat to areas of desired loss -- would be the same, just taking it to different levels.

The sentence contradicts itself because I didn't make clear what I meant by "more even distribution." It depends on the POV:

POV 1. If we have stubborn areas, then that means fat loss happens unevenly, since fat loss ocurrs SLOWER in those areas. Hence, they are stubborn areas. "Evening it out" would mean a bit more relative fat loss to happen in that spot, thus creating a more even distribution of fat loss over the entire body(although yes, you will still experience faster fat loss in non-stubborn areas anyway).

POV 2. If we have stubborn areas, then it must mean that we must create an uneven distribution of fat loss and focus it on the stubborn areas to have some sort of spot reduction.

The POV I was using was #1, and that's also why I was stating early that it's not necessarily a spot reduction. I think you are using #2.

I don't know how else to clarify myself lol
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 05:06:58 am »
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this is pretty interesting actually, because i've been wondering how i could get completely shredded while keeping my lower back fat unscathed... i just love me some lower back fat.

i don't really see the point of the article to be honest, if you're going to get a very athletic body composition for sprinting/jumping, fat won't be an issue.. there will be really nothing to spot reduce, it'll be low regardless.




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Fasted morning cardio is the ideal time to use these spot-reducing tricks. As one Oxford study notes: "In adipose tissue, the flow of fatty acids across a cell membrane is bidirectional. It's outward in times of net fat mobilization, such as fasting and exercise and inward during the postprandial (just fed) period." (Frayne, 1998) Of course, most of the day we bodybuilders are in a fed state.

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i dno i have a hard time reading articles anymore or caring about minutia, i don't even care what muscles exist in the human body anymore, or how anything actually works.. i see movements, force over time, visual changes to physique, how someone is feeling based on the hollistic approach, etc..

maybe im just ranting but i don't give the least of a shit anymore what happens at the cellular level..

purposefully trying to "forget" everything i was taught in exercise science @ FAU has truly made me a better athlete/coach.. without a doubt.

ok what was i talking about again, my rant was kind of 2-faced considering i do enjoy the peer-reviewed study subforum of this website.. lol

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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2016, 09:33:41 am »
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2016, 10:40:54 am »
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lol. raptor THINKS about starting a diet and bumps some random thread which couldnt apply less to him even if he was 15kg lighter :/
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2016, 12:13:56 pm »
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No, but it's an old thread and I wondered if anybody changed opinions since then or has anything to add/retract.

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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2016, 12:18:24 pm »
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No, but it's an old thread and I wondered if anybody changed opinions since then or has anything to add/retract.

Well, it's not really for most ppl, who should just do a normal diet (10-25% caloric deficit + exercise) to get leaner. It's for ppl who have that last 450g of fat (say) to lose and the body is fighting hard to hold on it, so much so it wud rather burn muscle mass for energy than mobilise that "stubborn" fat. In that case blood flow is an issue cause that fat is "stubborn" .. so by heating the area you might help that somewhat (since it improves blood flow). But this again is not an issue for 99.99% of us who can lose fat easily just by simple diet and cardio (say).There's other tricks to mobilise that stubborn fat too .. involving supplements and exercise protocols which are pure torture (Fasted cardio is involved).

 Ive never been in the stubborn fat range myself.. and i had a sixpac (some 5 weeks) ago. It's just a non issue for all but the leanest ppl looking to get leaner..
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2016, 11:58:08 pm »
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i don't really see the point of the article to be honest, if you're going to get a very athletic body composition for sprinting/jumping, fat won't be an issue.. there will be really nothing to spot reduce, it'll be low regardless.

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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 01:08:39 am »
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i don't really see the point of the article to be honest, if you're going to get a very athletic body composition for sprinting/jumping, fat won't be an issue.. there will be really nothing to spot reduce, it'll be low regardless.

/thread.

Its useful for women who carry a lot of abdominal fat in proportion to elsewhere, i guess. I was more interested in the theory behind it rather than practicality.
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 01:38:11 am »
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Stubborn fat for women isn't abdominal .. it's thighs and hips.. but yeah. women who train will often have a sixpac way before they have lean butt/thighs/hips. src: instagrams
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Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2016, 02:48:49 am »
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Stubborn fat for women isn't abdominal .. it's thighs and hips.. but yeah. women who train will often have a sixpac way before they have lean butt/thighs/hips. src: instagrams

Nobody is objecting to that distribution.