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Guys, I'm done here. No, the shrimp should not be used exclusively. I use it because it's convenient for me, setup-wise. Squats would work great, lunges would work great, BSS would work great, snatch-grip DLs would work great, but they're all less convenient for me, and so, I don't use them. 

You're all welcome to continue doing what you want. I'm gone.

good riddance.

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What if we go the other way around? Say, with an easier exercise like the leg press vs the squat? The leg press doesn't require any stabilization that you require in the squat just as the BSS or lunge requires less stabilization vs the shrimp.

So far, less need for stabilization was actually better.

well i mentioned specificity, that solves this argument immediately... leg press has far less specificity than squat, so regardless of how simple an exercise is, to get the most out of your improvements in max strength, the exercise needs to allow you to move the most load possible in a movement pattern most similar to the ones you are trying to improve.. now someone is going to say this "well why not just use jump squats instead of squat"... the key is "moving the most load possible", so jump squat is out of the conversation.. jump squat would be relevant to an explosive strength conversation.. a better argument would be jump squat vs ballistic leg press to improve explosive strength, etc..

we've had these conversations before raptor, and it always ends up with someone trying to become ultra-specific.. for example, to improve jumping, why dont we just do jump squats at 30%? but why 30%, why not 0% since 0% is most specific? that reasoning goes nowhere.. the key is overload.. jump squats have been studied to be most effective at improving vertical jump @ loads of 30%, so we use 30%.. but this is to close a gap between explosive strength & max strength, which IS NOT the issue of this thread.

the issue in this thread is coming up with yet another alternative exercise which is supposed to compete with the basic lifts (squat/lunge/bss/calf raise/ghr).

my legs never wobble when im SLRVJ'n or DLRVJ'n, or sprinting for that matter.. so the increase stabilization argument of the shrimp seems pointless to me.. the increased 'difficulty' of the exercise seems completely pointless to me.. it's cool as an assistance exercise, or just to have fun with, but to replace the basic lifts with? IMO, no way..



lastly, let's not forget that sickenin wasn't even speaking about weighted shrimps like RJ, he was talking about bodyweight shrimps, which should clue you in to his ineffective ideas about training.. he's the same guy who would want to put christmas ornaments dangling from a barbell and forcefully twisted as you squat, so to improve your body's ability to COIL DA ACTIN/MYOSIN HELIX. people should read what he says carefully, and then use it to reinforce their belief in the time tested basics of simple progressive overload with the key exercises (squat, lunge/bss, ghr, calf raise, pullups, dips etc), reactive work (low level through high level), and some explosive work (oly variants or swings), and that's it.

people who are constantly looking for secrets, will never find the answer.

bbl dangling christmas ornaments and christmas lights from my barbell for my twisting lunges session & runup deadlifts :F

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I can tell you one thing (as far as my recent injury):

YOU DON'T WANT ANY TWIST WHEN SQUATTING

yup, sickenin is basically trying to injure people on this forum.

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0:52.

EXTREMELY FU*KING STUPID.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyDKzxvLbA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyDKzxvLbA</a>

fixed.

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the shrimp fails to address this one important issue:

the ability to overcome more resistance for a given ROM than other exercises with that same ROM





so, for same ROM, bss/lunge allows you to overload far more than 'the shrimp'.. this is obviously due to the coordination factor involved with 'the shrimp'. some people might say, well that coordination issue yields more improvements in 'athletic ability' than less coordinated movements such as bss/lunge, i disagree.. the most simple multijoint movements are far more important imo.. it doesn't get any more simple than squat, lunge, bss, calve raise etc.. those are the purest forms of overloading those roms, which should allow for the greatest gains in hypertrophy/strength/various cns adaptations..

someone could say, 'well the shrimp utilizes stabilization to a higher degree, and thus has more transfer to sport'.. i would say, that stabilization is almost useless, as high speed movements work in much shorter time frames that would not stabilize the joints in that manner.. furthermore, if stabilization mattered, while lifting, we'd see much more improvements in athleticism from "the functional crowd".. weighted swiss ball pushups would be somehow utilized by shotput throwers eventually.. never going to happen.

training solely with 'weighted shrimp' would fail to improve barbell squat much more so than training solely with 'weighted bss/lunge'.. that's my opinion.. again, more overload can be utilized in a simpler movement.. so loading up 100 lb total of db's on your shoulders in a shrimp, does not compare AT ALL to loading up 225 lb on your shoulders during a bss.. i'd imagine 100 lb total during a shrimp to be 'as difficult' as 225 lb on a barbell for a bss, as an example, but that's due to the coordination factor and overall difficulty/time to complete the exercise...

^^ people might say, well who cares about squat.. but most people's goals on this site center around squat.. even short sprints.. squat is insanely beneficial for short sprints, and of course jumps of all kinds (obviously bilateral), including single leg jumps.. a heavy, bilateral barbell squat (half or quarter) is an incredible tool to highly arouse the CNS for single leg jumps, a day or two after.

the arousal needed to complete very heavy simple barbell lifts is very different than the arousal needed to complete a 'highly coordinated' weighted exercise like the shrimp.. the arousal experienced by the former, seems to be one of the most beneficial aspects of training.

my 2 cents, now im off to sleep can barely keep eyes open.

pc







I believe I'm adding plenty to the discussion.

Were "shrimps" talked about in your Engineering the Athlete book that was backed by science and can be compared to the works of Verkhoshansky ? If the answer is no, I think everyone can see why nobody should listen to a word you say.

would he include them exclusively now? it sounds like he'd use them exclusively, i mean that's the vibe i get from some of his posts.. exclusively for bilateral jumpers? or just sprinters? what about short accell?

I don't see how 'the shrimp' could improve broad jump more than a "p-chain based barbell squat".. i mean if it did, throw specificity right out of the window..

pc

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Basketball / Re: A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUNKS AND SHIT.
« on: August 29, 2011, 08:16:17 am »
tdub at the end

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnlBOs_HOJA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnlBOs_HOJA</a>

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Basketball / Re: A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUNKS AND SHIT.
« on: August 29, 2011, 08:14:26 am »
saw this today, i don't know if it's been posted before. but i thought it was insane; the speed, the plant, the jump, etc.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJzZ1Wf68C4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJzZ1Wf68C4</a>

that is sick

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Boxing / Re: Mayweather-Ortiz 24/7
« on: August 28, 2011, 07:37:24 pm »
ill have to check that later, i heard mayweather jr did alot of "acting" though.. typical villain role he loves to portray.

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I spoke to Alexander Shalygin a.k.a crazy air about him not being able to participate in the dunk contest all the way becauze ziani was a bitch and he was very humble, he told me it's an honor for him just to be at the contest and participate with all the best dunkers in the world, immediately after that i replied: "man, out of all people here, you have the highest vertical, don't be so humble" he started nodding and laughing and high-fived me.

And especially for Adarq I personally asked Young Hollywood if his knee was bugging him at all and he told me that in Saturday (the day of the contest) he felt some pain and it was bothering him, but the next day at the demonstration he didn't felt any pain at all, and you could tell, he was jumping much better. On the sticker contest Young Hollywood was maybe 1 or 2 inches away from Kristas ( the tall Latvian guy raptor was talking about )

dammmmmmmmmmn!!!!!!!!!

and ya, kristas is insane.. he really could have been the actual winner of that contest, it was close between darlington/him.





nice pics too, cant wait for the sticker contest footage.. i heard nightfly jumped nasty on it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 28, 2011, 05:34:58 pm »
peep da bald spot son.




































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Basketball / Re: jonsey dunk thread - like the t-dub thread, kinda.
« on: August 28, 2011, 09:53:01 am »
insanely sick jonsey video, edited by leonss aka sky.


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he's abuv parallel ^^^





man darlington killed it.. and that white dude who jumps off one leg, tall blonde dude.. crazy shit.

kap brought some nasty stuff too.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 27, 2011, 11:35:43 pm »
closeup gizmo tug of war rope






8/27/2011

bw = 149
soreness = hamstrings, left glute
aches/injuries = left back/left hip, right knee slightly
diet = 2 tspn coffee + hamburger burrito, dunks, 3 hour walk (45 min ~20 sprints up a huge hill, walk down), 5 egg burrito, rested max = 275 x 5 + NGP=8, 5 egg burrito with avocado

pC

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OK, something useful...

If you didn't have a barbell, do you think this exercise could become a useful alternative for squatting to enhance sprint ability?.

This is as useless as it gets since barbells exist and if you are serious about training you get access to them.

^^^^^^^

the exercise is fine as accessory, or just to mess around with.. it could benefit slightly, "coordination", "stability", and flexibility.. but it's not an exercise that will recruit the highest threshold MU's at a high rate of discharge/firing frequency.. thus, it is accessory.. accessory consists of everything from rdl's, to bosu ball balancing.. it's not a primary exercise of which one would spend vast amount of time trying to perfect/improve for one major reason => results.

pc

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Footage from Word Dunk Contest Romania
« on: August 27, 2011, 05:46:33 pm »
nice footage man.. who won? darlington was flying.

nice btl by oynur.

shal had some good stuff.

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