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So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« on: January 11, 2011, 10:07:26 am »
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From what I'm getting, all the important people have something negative to say about every single product.

If Adarq had a product I'd just buy that and be done with it.

I need the most solid, updated product to buy for my coming summer regimen. Classify me as a beginner with a lot of heart.

Right now, Jump Manual is the most logical choice for me based on all the reviews I'm getting. I have yet to see any tangible results for VF, but the same goes for Jump Manual. Flying in Four I hear had some fast results.

So which will it be?

(Yeah I know, IRC w/ Adarq >>> all of these shits, but I want at least a program or book to read up on while Adarq's off walking his dog on Sundays)

(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
« Last Edit: January 11, 2011, 10:11:02 am by nicoodie »

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 10:37:14 am »
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(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)

VJB!
Seriously , since you say you know it's the bomb , why do you exclude that option?
« Last Edit: January 11, 2011, 10:45:57 am by vag »
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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 11:32:26 am »
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(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)

VJB!
Seriously , since you say you know it's the bomb , why do you exclude that option?

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 01:35:30 pm »
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Read some of the reviews made by Jack Woodrup on those programs in these links:
for Jump Manual: http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html
for vertFreak: http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html
for Flying in Four: http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html

I recommend VertFreak cause I like the work-outs, I'm currnetly in week 5, but it is time consuming and hard. But I believe I'll have massive gains from this product. Flying in Four is a potential scam. VJB has lots of nice information but the work-outs are a little outdated.
Lont term:
175klsx2
Jump Snatch 75kls x 1

Short term before Peaking.
130kls x5

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 01:35:37 pm »
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Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 06:39:47 pm »
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Read some of the reviews made by Jack Woodrup on those programs in these links:
for Jump Manual: http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html
for vertFreak: http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html
for Flying in Four: http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html

I recommend VertFreak cause I like the work-outs, I'm currnetly in week 5, but it is time consuming and hard. But I believe I'll have massive gains from this product. Flying in Four is a potential scam. VJB has lots of nice information but the work-outs are a little outdated.

so hard work and getting stronger can get outdated???

what has the world become... :uhhhfacepalm:

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 07:37:23 pm »
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From what I'm getting, all the important people have something negative to say about every single product.

If Adarq had a product I'd just buy that and be done with it.

I need the most solid, updated product to buy for my coming summer regimen. Classify me as a beginner with a lot of heart.

Right now, Jump Manual is the most logical choice for me based on all the reviews I'm getting. I have yet to see any tangible results for VF, but the same goes for Jump Manual. Flying in Four I hear had some fast results.

So which will it be?

(Yeah I know, IRC w/ Adarq >>> all of these shits, but I want at least a program or book to read up on while Adarq's off walking his dog on Sundays)

(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)

My friend,

I have copies of all of these programs.  What I would recommend is that you ask Lance or Andrew to program your training for specifically tailored training.  This is more effective than what amounts to a static template.  If you think you are going to get some "secret" information from any of these programs you are kidding yourself.  One on one coaching will always be more valuable.  Also, if you go with jump manual or vertfreak or flying in four you will have problems that you will not experience here.  What problems you may ask?  Let me break it down for you.

Jump Manual - Recommends to leg press to start.  After spending time talking with Jacob he will switch you over to the squat, but seriously leg press sucks by itself if not coupled with squats.

Vertfreak - 8x100m sprints at the beginning of each workout.  Grammatical errors.  0 customer support.

Flying in four - Static template, Alex Maroko was somehow invovled in this as well.  Perhaps you seek to get the sweet 25" vert that Alex M. has?  Dude is touching rim like no other.

If you are going to buy one of these programs I would go with Jump Manual and stick in close contact with Jacob.  A static template, however, is probably not going to be ideal.  I promise you, that is what you will get.  You can believe me or not, but I went through this whole process.  I couldn't touch the rim when I started.  After lots of smart training I am now able to dunk.  However, hard training will not save you by itself.  I spent many months plateaued using a template.  You can either plateau out on this template based system after a couple months or you can find a way to get coaching from an expert.

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 07:39:19 pm »
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Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.

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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2011, 02:44:28 am »
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Best forum ever. Fastest and most replies I've ever seen in less than 24 hours.

(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)

VJB!
Seriously , since you say you know it's the bomb , why do you exclude that option?

Gah, actually the main reason I don't want to use VJB is because I'm OC when it comes to the exercises and how to them. I'd prefer the new age video libraries Jump Manual and VF seem to provide. Don't get me wrong, I really tried with YouTube and hunted down every exercise I came across, it's just that, some really don't show up and some of the forms were questionable.

I'll probably buy Jump Manual and maybe ask Adarq for help on my custom program once I've gotten some basic training off of it.

Honestly, I'm as weak as hell when jumping (as you can see from my stats in the 1st post) so I don't want to waste Adarq's time making up a program for me when I can strengthen myself up a little from a basic template before I enlist from his awesomeness.

Okay, a little kissing up there. Okay, a lot. Thanks for the info and the welcome to the forum :)

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 03:18:07 am »
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Good idea!
Can you actually read though?

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 03:19:52 am »
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Reading is really important. Unless you get a training video.

Oh wait, that wasn't the point.

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2011, 05:57:20 am »
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Good idea!
Can you actually read though?

Aww damn...  :ninja:

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2011, 11:07:37 am »
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wtf dude! why do you ask for advice when you don't take it?

dont buy any of those programs, they are all just basic templates that anyone here could write for you.

you got enough of good advice in here, like:
Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/

dont ask more any more questions about which program you should get! :uhhhfacepalm:

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Re: So which is it? Jump Manual, Vertfreak or Flying in Four?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 12:02:37 pm »
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wtf dude! why do you ask for advice when you don't take it?

dont buy any of those programs, they are all just basic templates that anyone here could write for you.

you got enough of good advice in here, like:
Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/

dont ask more any more questions about which program you should get! :uhhhfacepalm:

Damn, why did you suddenly decided to make it easy? :uhhhfacepalm: