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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4710 on: March 01, 2019, 06:58:18 am »
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Great job with the Squat PR. A great start to your goal of wanting to squat 170kg. What sport specific training are you doing in line with the squatting to help with the athleticism.

Good luck with the dieting aspect of it.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4711 on: March 01, 2019, 11:31:58 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 89.8kg (1st March)
Diet compliance: 0/0 days
Daily Squat: 104/104 days

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x170(PR), 8x140(PR)
   OHP 10x50 

Evening:
    


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  • So summer is over as of yesterday. I decided to go for my summer goal of a 170kg squat .. it went ok. But probably cost me a rep or two of the actual workset with 140kg. That sucks, i could have forced the issue and ground out two more but at the cost of being too beat up to train normally after today.
  • I went to the court straight after and did some  jumps hit probably halfway up on my palm which is around 25" or so. That's disappointing. My friend asked if i can do windmills now .. no.. not even close. After spending teh eintire summer focusing on squat ive got nothing to show for it except being fat and slow and can't jump

that's a solid PR, squat looked beast.

too bad you jumped after hitting a 1RM squat PR, and made yourself depressed.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4712 on: March 01, 2019, 11:33:07 pm »
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Down to 88.8kg today. I didn't do anything just daily fluctuation. Hopefully i'll go sub 88kg without much fuss then i can start actively dieting down. I feel like when i've recovered from yesterdays squatting (back a bit stiff, erectors a bit sore, etc) i'll be a 170kg+ squatter just from recovering. And if i keep working towards 8x150kg as part of peaking i'll be able to met the 2.0 multiplier along the way as bw heads towards 85kg. As it stands 170kg without the 85kg bw is nothing to celebrate ..

Andrew do you think if i was fresher i'd jump higher? Hopefully you're right.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4713 on: March 02, 2019, 07:26:23 am »
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Andrew do you think if i was fresher i'd jump higher? Hopefully you're right.

yes. if serious, questions like this from training veterans surprise me.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4714 on: March 03, 2019, 12:46:11 am »
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What sport specific training are you doing in line with the squatting to help with the athleticism.

Nothing concrete yet, thinking i need to restart doing cardio. As far as athleticism, i havent done sprints in months. Nor been able to jump or dunk seriously. So gradually introducing all of these things is the way to go, starting monday?

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Good luck with the dieting aspect of it.
Looks like i have about 3.5kg to lose .. which feels more manageable than 5kg. Have just under 50 days to get there though. Yikes.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4715 on: March 03, 2019, 12:47:12 am »
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Andrew do you think if i was fresher i'd jump higher? Hopefully you're right.

yes. if serious, questions like this from training veterans surprise me.

but .. you do realise if i was fresher and jumped 32" say, i would feel pretty disappointed still even though it would be a pretty huge improvement. My point is, if i was resting and getting 40" that would be one thing. To get levels i previously could get any day just thru training normally after peaking ...... is not ideal

the problem right now is i can't do a proper jump session because im either too fatigued from squatting or i've got to stay fresh for an upcoming squat workout. it's a bad place to be for jumping. i just need to keep making progress tho. something is better than nothing. The other issue is by the time i get to the court, im too hungry .. jumping needs carbs like crazy .. and for whatever reason, body doesn't tap into glycogen for dunking workouts .. weird thing. i'l have no energy to jump. yea i could eat but im fat :(
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4716 on: March 03, 2019, 08:53:39 am »
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Andrew do you think if i was fresher i'd jump higher? Hopefully you're right.

yes. if serious, questions like this from training veterans surprise me.

but .. you do realise if i was fresher and jumped 32" say, i would feel pretty disappointed still even though it would be a pretty huge improvement. My point is, if i was resting and getting 40" that would be one thing. To get levels i previously could get any day just thru training normally after peaking ...... is not ideal

you're not going to get to 40" by rarely ever jumping.



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the problem right now is i can't do a proper jump session because im either too fatigued from squatting or i've got to stay fresh for an upcoming squat workout. it's a bad place to be for jumping. i just need to keep making progress tho. something is better than nothing.

proper jump session.. just jump before your squat workouts. that's what you should have been doing for months. that's what any vert-obsessed person does.

i can't even begin to comprehend the idea of wanting to improve X and never performing X. you claim you have vert goals but you aren't jumping. and when you do jump, you set yourself up for failure? if you cared about vert you'd jump often.


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The other issue is by the time i get to the court, im too hungry .. jumping needs carbs like crazy .. and for whatever reason, body doesn't tap into glycogen for dunking workouts .. weird thing. i'l have no energy to jump. yea i could eat but im fat :(

jumping doesn't need carbs like crazy. that's ridiculous. it's one small anaerobic effort. it probably uses 1 calorie.

you can't be hungry though, that's a rule for anything athletic.

it's hard to cool down after a heavy workout then try and jump. it's also hard to jump when you just PR'd a 1RM.



you just aren't doing what you need to.

jump or sprint before nearly every squat session, and eat good. it's so simple. but no you want to do one thing without the other, then see if it works like magic, then make some serious gains in the one thing you're focusing on, then sabotage yourself through fatigued jumps and dieting.



i mean just stop trying to "know so much" or have all of these answers, and just do what any obsessed athletic noob would do: jump often, lift often, and eat good.

i guess it's frustrating from an outside perspective, because it's hard to watch you continue to mention vert numbers, but rarely ever jump, then make all kinds of progress in squat, then get frustrated with the scale and start dieting etc. you're in a wicked cycle. break out of it.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4717 on: March 03, 2019, 09:45:13 am »
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Exactly what adarq said.

If you want to be good at jumping you should jump. If you are trying to improve your strength to transfer to a higher jump you have to incorporate one day at least dedicated to jumping and plyometrics and do some jumps before lifting because you want to maintain the muscle memory and keep your from forgetting how to jump, prob is some technical term. But lifting without jumping your body will lose that fluidity and memory of how to jump as efficiently as it could before lifting. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4718 on: March 04, 2019, 10:29:45 pm »
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With dunking, i feel hypoglycemic after one or two attempts. and im not in a position to be able to take workout nutrition. Right now being on the basketball court is 'cardio time' so im not trying to lose any fat loss benefit that it confers by trying to perform better. If i just shoot around my HR will be around 110. If i push the pace i can get it up to 140. it's like cardio that i can do for hours. Not sure i even want to be getting in the habit of sipping gatorade on the basketball court, that will mess with my heart .. sugar is def poison for me and at 25g a day of it during gym sessions (shake) im not able to add any more without risking bad health. I find when i start eating more junk (ie sugar and fat) my mental and physical wellbeing goes down and im at risk of getting arrhythmia problems. I've literally sworn off chocolate/cookies/cakes/sweets completely .. not just for a bit but never again just to stay out of hospital..

daily squatting makes my knees feel shit .. all the time.. now. it doesn't seem to matter if im resting or not .. ive tried 3 days of 'recovery' and i still haven't got them feeling good. it makes it hard to justify doing jumping tho when even light recovery squats are too much to make knees feel normal. may have signed a deal with the devil with this thing that i wish i could run back :/

If i was complaining about a 25" vertical last week .. then what do i say about last night w hen i was lucky to get 12" i couldn't even touch the rim .. was getting the net about halfway. and that's with 'rest'. so yea this is not about trying to train for a 40 without jumping. this is about trying to get back to 30

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4719 on: March 05, 2019, 12:21:55 am »
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With dunking, i feel hypoglycemic after one or two attempts. and im not in a position to be able to take workout nutrition. Right now being on the basketball court is 'cardio time' so im not trying to lose any fat loss benefit that it confers by trying to perform better. If i just shoot around my HR will be around 110. If i push the pace i can get it up to 140. it's like cardio that i can do for hours. Not sure i even want to be getting in the habit of sipping gatorade on the basketball court, that will mess with my heart .. sugar is def poison for me and at 25g a day of it during gym sessions (shake) im not able to add any more without risking bad health. I find when i start eating more junk (ie sugar and fat) my mental and physical wellbeing goes down and im at risk of getting arrhythmia problems. I've literally sworn off chocolate/cookies/cakes/sweets completely .. not just for a bit but never again just to stay out of hospital..

daily squatting makes my knees feel shit .. all the time.. now. it doesn't seem to matter if im resting or not .. ive tried 3 days of 'recovery' and i still haven't got them feeling good. it makes it hard to justify doing jumping tho when even light recovery squats are too much to make knees feel normal. may have signed a deal with the devil with this thing that i wish i could run back :/

If i was complaining about a 25" vertical last week .. then what do i say about last night w hen i was lucky to get 12" i couldn't even touch the rim .. was getting the net about halfway. and that's with 'rest'. so yea this is not about trying to train for a 40 without jumping. this is about trying to get back to 30

Dude your log makes me sad sometimes. And angry but mostly sad. I also leave it to last out of every log cause it's my daily dose of drama. Far be it for me to tell you how to train or what to do but seriously dude, take an unsentimental view of yourself and your training. It also might be worth handing the reigns over to someone else for a while.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4720 on: March 05, 2019, 09:31:44 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 89.0kg (5st March)
Diet compliance: 0/0 days
Daily Squat: 106/106 days

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 2x155, 8x142.5(PR)
   OHP 10x20 

Evening:
 Jumps x 20  


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  • oddest thing .. i pretty much had to teach my body how to jump higher today essentially from scratch. and once i did i went from 25" to 30" to 32" in one session. Had to go pee real bad (outdoor court) so left it at that. But i don't do so well using my forearm as a target. My body will only jump high enough for my hand to hit the target :/ Turns out there's jumping and then there is jumping. The latter is like the former except on a different gear .. maybe taps into strength more.. it's so weird. i still can't dunk but at least i got my jump back to baseline (32"). if i can get my bw closer to 85kg, i'll prob be in the 35-36" ballpark. Fuck that though, seems the new bw of 89-90kg in the morning has become permanent.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4721 on: March 07, 2019, 10:18:26 am »
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Played 1v1 today with this over weight 62 year old white man. he beat me both games .. lol. prep is going great
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4722 on: March 07, 2019, 05:10:20 pm »
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Hey mate. I remember you always talk about how you have slow feet when you play. Everything I've read and heard recently talks on hip flexor strength as the key to quicker feet. Could be some pretty cheap gains for you. (L-sit, leg raises, cable pull ins, etc).
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4723 on: March 07, 2019, 10:08:41 pm »
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Hey mate. I remember you always talk about how you have slow feet when you play. Everything I've read and heard recently talks on hip flexor strength as the key to quicker feet. Could be some pretty cheap gains for you. (L-sit, leg raises, cable pull ins, etc).

interesting. i'll look those exercises up. i dont mind adding extra accessory work so i'll def try incorporate some of these. thank you
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4724 on: March 07, 2019, 11:01:33 pm »
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Played 1v1 today with this over weight 62 year old white man. he beat me both games .. lol. prep is going great

Come on mate. You should know better than to mention race like this.