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should poke around to see what looks interesting in late winter/early spring 2027, i guess

or you could come across the pond and do one over here. the only US marathons worth traveling that far for in the spring are boston, obviously, and maybe eugene just because of the running history there. actually, if i don't qualify for boston this year then eugene 2027 might be in the cards. but in the fall there's a bunch of great ones: the other US majors but also marine corps, wineglass, philadelphia, richmond, indianapolis monumental, CIM (if you can get in).

some great sub-marathon spring races as well. i also kind of want to do cherry blossom ten miler next year, it's pretty iconic. some of my running buddies are doing brooklyn half in a couple of weeks, which seems cool and can qualify you for the new york marathon.

OTOH, i also kind of want to come over and do some of the big european races at some points, so maybe what i'm really doing is talking myself into traveling the other way, lol.
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- run 55:12, 8.98 km
still recovering.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 29, 2026, 01:48:34 pm »
29-04-26

Run -- 10.1k, 58:06, including 5 x ~15s strides

Notes

Decent enough. Realised instead of bothering about plyos, I should just do strides. Will try to keep them as a regular thing. I just did them as part of the running, jogging until HR was normal again between 'reps'. Knee fine on this run other than during a couple of strides. hmm. It very rarely hurts during the day, seems only to be if I internally rotate my lower leg against some pressure. Maybe it did happen during my fall from a couple weeks ago (also my finger still not 100% recovered from that, was a pretty deep graze).

90k this might happen week

eta: joined the lottery for the april 2027 berlin half, and may start casting about for a fall 2027 full, if i am still committed to running when lotteries/signups for such things roll around.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on April 29, 2026, 07:35:15 am »
- run 55:24, 10.13 km
with the track group but i just did lazy circles. a bunch of people had also raced last weekend - there's a big road 10k nearby that i'd like to do next year - so i wasn't alone. a couple of the guys PR'd in that race. legs still pretty dead and hamstrings still pretty sore. left ITB started bugging a little right above my knee, right at the end. probably nothing to worry about.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 28, 2026, 02:08:01 pm »
28-04-26

Run
- w/u
- 3 x 11'30" (1'30") [4:18 avg]
- c/d

Notes

Very low HR [155 avg, barely above 160] but legs didn't want to go any faster (though, again, pace not too bad).
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on April 28, 2026, 07:13:31 am »
- run 19:05, 3.22 km
lol. i've been sorer in my life but legs absolutely dead. scraping my heels stepping onto the curb. still, glad to have gotten out at all. i have to commute today so i'll get at least another few miles of walking in, which ought to help as well.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on April 27, 2026, 02:22:39 pm »
thanks! the duration itself didn't feel hard, i do think the fact that i've raced longer distances helps anything shorter feel more manageable. i wasn't moving at a "serious pace" in either of the ultras i did last year but that sensation of needing to try hard just to keep my legs turning over was not new. the JFK took me more than 2.5 times as long.

in re: strength work, davis does recommend deprioritizing it closer to the race, but i bailed on it too early IMO. part of the problem is just that it's a hassle to get to the gym, and my workouts didn't/don't need to be long, so it seems weirdly out of balance. 45-minute round trip to do 30 minutes of work. hopefully getting stuff for the house will make it easier to just keep a baseline level of consistency.

i hope it's true about sawe. and man that's funny about toledo getting a shout-out from magness, i didn't realize it was the third-fastest time ever for an american. that's wild. well, i bet it'll be more popular with elites and sub-elites next year.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by Joe on April 27, 2026, 11:31:00 am »
yesterday

- marathon race in 3:07:12 (chip), 3:05:56 (watch)
measured distance was 42.39 km, which accounts for most of the discrepancy between the times. failed to hit sub-3:05, which was the A goal, but did get sub-3:10 and i had enough gas left at the end to pass a bunch of people in the final miles. split was pretty close to even but slightly negative, 1:33:30 and then 1:32:26 using the watch record. my legs started to get tired around mile 19 - there was a big hill between miles 18 and 19, the only real one on the course - but i never hit the wall. plenty to be happy about despite not hitting the A goal. conditions were good, overcast and high-40s/low-50s, although it was pretty breezy and some of the more exposed sections were into a meaningful headwind.

but one huge frustration: i had to stop to go to the bathroom twice! lost around 90 seconds to those stops. the second one, right after the halfway point, i even had to take a shit. what the hell! i went to the bathroom about 45 minutes before the race started but i started to have to pee again a few minutes later and the lines were too long to go again closer to the gun (horn). i could probably have gotten away with just peeing at the second stop but it wouldn't have taken much less time and at that point i figured if i was going to stop, i might as well get whatever was in there out to minimize the chances of a third stop.

it sucks to think that i could have run 3:05 official and even sub-3:05 on my watch if not for my stupid bladder. gonna have to do some research around that. IIRC, i never had to use the bathroom during the 50k back in october. during the JFK i did, during the first segment.

congrats dude! awesome effort! i still cannot imagine being out on my feet for that long, let alone chugging along at a serious pace for over 3 hours  :ibrunning:

couple other data points/reflections:
  • my right peroneal hurt and felt swollen for the first 10 km or so. my shins have been bugging me for the last week or so, which has been weird and came seemingly out of nowhere. something else to research. and my left ankle also bugged me off and on for the first 10 km. shins were also probably the most tired single muscle group at the end of the race as well, and even this morning, although overall i feel pretty good right now.
  • my intervals.icu fitness graph is interesting to look back at. in the green for pretty much all of january and february, then dipping down to blue when i got sick in early march, then back into the green for a few days before going up into the blue again during the ski trip. but then from about march 22-april 16, it's in the grey. started to dip into the blue again last weekend, as previously noted, and had just tipped into the blue on saturday, which is good. but i didn't feel as fresh as i've felt at other times. that shin feeling is part of it. i know copeland says "in the green, too keen; in the gray, okay." but i kind of felt like i was gaining more fitness during the early going and the graph seems to bear that out.
also, i just revised my threshold pace down to 4:03, from 4:12. the latter was probably too conservative, 4:03 is what my watch estimates for me right now and it is spot-on with predicted race times (1:28:09, 3:06:16 full; bathroom breaks be damned), so i'll go with that.
  • i basically stopped strength training or doing any kind of soft tissue work at least a month before the race. that's probably not ideal.
  • mileage averaged 72 km/45 miles per week, against a plan target of 85/53. i also never actually reached the peak mileage, getting close to 100 km a few times early on but never crossing it. that includes the ski week, which i knew about going in, and also getting sick for a few days in march. but mileage dropped significantly in the last 6-7 weeks, especially the two weeks leading up to the half. it looks like that basically explains the transition from green to gray on the intervals.icu training graph, which i suppose makes sense. on the plus side, apart from the illness and the ski trip, i only skipped two planned training days. never got hurt during the block and so i think in the next build i could shoot for higher mileage overall. and i think it's time to just switch to running every day. that will make it easier to raise weekly mileage and also reduce the impact of missing the odd day.

long story short: i'm glad to have done it and given it what i had. some things to figure out for the next one. and now, i'm even more motivated than before to break 3 hours.

i've been wondering about strength work in the closing weeks before a race -- feel like during the peak weeks, dropping it probably make  sense since you want every ounce of recovery to be going available for the maximal specific load, but bringing back a couple of old-school verkhoshansky peaking lift things in the taper might make sense? not really sure -- would be curious what the top guys do.

as a side note, the winner ran 2:05, a huge course record. glass city is usually pretty fast for a mid-sized (~5,000 runners between the half and the full) race: the announcer at the start said about a third of entrants usually qualify for boston. but not that fast. impressive! and unlike the kenyans who just destroyed the WR in london, he's probably not juiced to the gills.

hey sawe might maybe kind of possibly be clean: https://www.instagram.com/p/DXm6p-TFWv9/

also, lol, this toledo marathon winner got a mention in the magness video on london: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69NbsEvYFkM&t=1150s
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on April 27, 2026, 07:08:25 am »
yesterday

- marathon race in 3:07:12 (chip), 3:05:56 (watch)
measured distance was 42.39 km, which accounts for most of the discrepancy between the times. failed to hit sub-3:05, which was the A goal, but did get sub-3:10 and i had enough gas left at the end to pass a bunch of people in the final miles. split was pretty close to even but slightly negative, 1:33:30 and then 1:32:26 using the watch record. my legs started to get tired around mile 19 - there was a big hill between miles 18 and 19, the only real one on the course - but i never hit the wall. plenty to be happy about despite not hitting the A goal. conditions were good, overcast and high-40s/low-50s, although it was pretty breezy and some of the more exposed sections were into a meaningful headwind.

but one huge frustration: i had to stop to go to the bathroom twice! lost around 90 seconds to those stops. the second one, right after the halfway point, i even had to take a shit. what the hell! i went to the bathroom about 45 minutes before the race started but i started to have to pee again a few minutes later and the lines were too long to go again closer to the gun (horn). i could probably have gotten away with just peeing at the second stop but it wouldn't have taken much less time and at that point i figured if i was going to stop, i might as well get whatever was in there out to minimize the chances of a third stop.

it sucks to think that i could have run 3:05 official and even sub-3:05 on my watch if not for my stupid bladder. gonna have to do some research around that. IIRC, i never had to use the bathroom during the 50k back in october. during the JFK i did, during the first segment.

couple other data points/reflections:
  • my right peroneal hurt and felt swollen for the first 10 km or so. my shins have been bugging me for the last week or so, which has been weird and came seemingly out of nowhere. something else to research. and my left ankle also bugged me off and on for the first 10 km. shins were also probably the most tired single muscle group at the end of the race as well, and even this morning, although overall i feel pretty good right now.
  • my intervals.icu fitness graph is interesting to look back at. in the green for pretty much all of january and february, then dipping down to blue when i got sick in early march, then back into the green for a few days before going up into the blue again during the ski trip. but then from about march 22-april 16, it's in the grey. started to dip into the blue again last weekend, as previously noted, and had just tipped into the blue on saturday, which is good. but i didn't feel as fresh as i've felt at other times. that shin feeling is part of it. i know copeland says "in the green, too keen; in the gray, okay." but i kind of felt like i was gaining more fitness during the early going and the graph seems to bear that out.
also, i just revised my threshold pace down to 4:03, from 4:12. the latter was probably too conservative, 4:03 is what my watch estimates for me right now and it is spot-on with predicted race times (1:28:09, 3:06:16 full; bathroom breaks be damned), so i'll go with that.
  • i basically stopped strength training or doing any kind of soft tissue work at least a month before the race. that's probably not ideal.
  • mileage averaged 72 km/45 miles per week, against a plan target of 85/53. i also never actually reached the peak mileage, getting close to 100 km a few times early on but never crossing it. that includes the ski week, which i knew about going in, and also getting sick for a few days in march. but mileage dropped significantly in the last 6-7 weeks, especially the two weeks leading up to the half. it looks like that basically explains the transition from green to gray on the intervals.icu training graph, which i suppose makes sense. on the plus side, apart from the illness and the ski trip, i only skipped two planned training days. never got hurt during the block and so i think in the next build i could shoot for higher mileage overall. and i think it's time to just switch to running every day. that will make it easier to raise weekly mileage and also reduce the impact of missing the odd day.

long story short: i'm glad to have done it and given it what i had. some things to figure out for the next one. and now, i'm even more motivated than before to break 3 hours.

as a side note, the winner ran 2:05, a huge course record. glass city is usually pretty fast for a mid-sized (~5,000 runners between the half and the full) race: the announcer at the start said about a third of entrants usually qualify for boston. but not that fast. impressive! and unlike the kenyans who just destroyed the WR in london, he's probably not juiced to the gills.

ETA: just signed up for the richmond marathon on november 14. it's a "local" - richmond is about 2.5 hours away - so i know a lot of people who have done it and everyone loves it. reddit, too. seven-ish months to see if i can knock 8 minutes off my time from toledo, including four months with an infant. let's go. 
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 27, 2026, 04:02:41 am »
27-04-26

Run -- 9.48k, 54:50

Notes

Legs a bit heavy/sore, but still 5:47 pace and 127 HR. Woop woop.

Going to need to come up with some new routes or just embrace the amount of looping of the park i'm going to have to do

eta: signed up for a 10k in july and half in sept, both in london. looked at the amsterdam half b/c would like to travel for a race at some point, but already sold out. should poke around to see what looks interesting in late winter/early spring 2027, i guess
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