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thanks! the duration itself didn't feel hard, i do think the fact that i've raced longer distances helps anything shorter feel more manageable. i wasn't moving at a "serious pace" in either of the ultras i did last year but that sensation of needing to try hard just to keep my legs turning over was not new. the JFK took me more than 2.5 times as long.

in re: strength work, davis does recommend deprioritizing it closer to the race, but i bailed on it too early IMO. part of the problem is just that it's a hassle to get to the gym, and my workouts didn't/don't need to be long, so it seems weirdly out of balance. 45-minute round trip to do 30 minutes of work. hopefully getting stuff for the house will make it easier to just keep a baseline level of consistency.

i hope it's true about sawe. and man that's funny about toledo getting a shout-out from magness, i didn't realize it was the third-fastest time ever for an american. that's wild. well, i bet it'll be more popular with elites and sub-elites next year.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by Joe on Today at 11:31:00 am »
yesterday

- marathon race in 3:07:12 (chip), 3:05:56 (watch)
measured distance was 42.39 km, which accounts for most of the discrepancy between the times. failed to hit sub-3:05, which was the A goal, but did get sub-3:10 and i had enough gas left at the end to pass a bunch of people in the final miles. split was pretty close to even but slightly negative, 1:33:30 and then 1:32:26 using the watch record. my legs started to get tired around mile 19 - there was a big hill between miles 18 and 19, the only real one on the course - but i never hit the wall. plenty to be happy about despite not hitting the A goal. conditions were good, overcast and high-40s/low-50s, although it was pretty breezy and some of the more exposed sections were into a meaningful headwind.

but one huge frustration: i had to stop to go to the bathroom twice! lost around 90 seconds to those stops. the second one, right after the halfway point, i even had to take a shit. what the hell! i went to the bathroom about 45 minutes before the race started but i started to have to pee again a few minutes later and the lines were too long to go again closer to the gun (horn). i could probably have gotten away with just peeing at the second stop but it wouldn't have taken much less time and at that point i figured if i was going to stop, i might as well get whatever was in there out to minimize the chances of a third stop.

it sucks to think that i could have run 3:05 official and even sub-3:05 on my watch if not for my stupid bladder. gonna have to do some research around that. IIRC, i never had to use the bathroom during the 50k back in october. during the JFK i did, during the first segment.

congrats dude! awesome effort! i still cannot imagine being out on my feet for that long, let alone chugging along at a serious pace for over 3 hours  :ibrunning:

couple other data points/reflections:
  • my right peroneal hurt and felt swollen for the first 10 km or so. my shins have been bugging me for the last week or so, which has been weird and came seemingly out of nowhere. something else to research. and my left ankle also bugged me off and on for the first 10 km. shins were also probably the most tired single muscle group at the end of the race as well, and even this morning, although overall i feel pretty good right now.
  • my intervals.icu fitness graph is interesting to look back at. in the green for pretty much all of january and february, then dipping down to blue when i got sick in early march, then back into the green for a few days before going up into the blue again during the ski trip. but then from about march 22-april 16, it's in the grey. started to dip into the blue again last weekend, as previously noted, and had just tipped into the blue on saturday, which is good. but i didn't feel as fresh as i've felt at other times. that shin feeling is part of it. i know copeland says "in the green, too keen; in the gray, okay." but i kind of felt like i was gaining more fitness during the early going and the graph seems to bear that out.
also, i just revised my threshold pace down to 4:03, from 4:12. the latter was probably too conservative, 4:03 is what my watch estimates for me right now and it is spot-on with predicted race times (1:28:09, 3:06:16 full; bathroom breaks be damned), so i'll go with that.
  • i basically stopped strength training or doing any kind of soft tissue work at least a month before the race. that's probably not ideal.
  • mileage averaged 72 km/45 miles per week, against a plan target of 85/53. i also never actually reached the peak mileage, getting close to 100 km a few times early on but never crossing it. that includes the ski week, which i knew about going in, and also getting sick for a few days in march. but mileage dropped significantly in the last 6-7 weeks, especially the two weeks leading up to the half. it looks like that basically explains the transition from green to gray on the intervals.icu training graph, which i suppose makes sense. on the plus side, apart from the illness and the ski trip, i only skipped two planned training days. never got hurt during the block and so i think in the next build i could shoot for higher mileage overall. and i think it's time to just switch to running every day. that will make it easier to raise weekly mileage and also reduce the impact of missing the odd day.

long story short: i'm glad to have done it and given it what i had. some things to figure out for the next one. and now, i'm even more motivated than before to break 3 hours.

i've been wondering about strength work in the closing weeks before a race -- feel like during the peak weeks, dropping it probably make  sense since you want every ounce of recovery to be going available for the maximal specific load, but bringing back a couple of old-school verkhoshansky peaking lift things in the taper might make sense? not really sure -- would be curious what the top guys do.

as a side note, the winner ran 2:05, a huge course record. glass city is usually pretty fast for a mid-sized (~5,000 runners between the half and the full) race: the announcer at the start said about a third of entrants usually qualify for boston. but not that fast. impressive! and unlike the kenyans who just destroyed the WR in london, he's probably not juiced to the gills.

hey sawe might maybe kind of possibly be clean: https://www.instagram.com/p/DXm6p-TFWv9/

also, lol, this toledo marathon winner got a mention in the magness video on london: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69NbsEvYFkM&t=1150s
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yesterday

- marathon race in 3:07:12 (chip), 3:05:56 (watch)
measured distance was 42.39 km, which accounts for most of the discrepancy between the times. failed to hit sub-3:05, which was the A goal, but did get sub-3:10 and i had enough gas left at the end to pass a bunch of people in the final miles. split was pretty close to even but slightly negative, 1:33:30 and then 1:32:26 using the watch record. my legs started to get tired around mile 19 - there was a big hill between miles 18 and 19, the only real one on the course - but i never hit the wall. plenty to be happy about despite not hitting the A goal. conditions were good, overcast and high-40s/low-50s, although it was pretty breezy and some of the more exposed sections were into a meaningful headwind.

but one huge frustration: i had to stop to go to the bathroom twice! lost around 90 seconds to those stops. the second one, right after the halfway point, i even had to take a shit. what the hell! i went to the bathroom about 45 minutes before the race started but i started to have to pee again a few minutes later and the lines were too long to go again closer to the gun (horn). i could probably have gotten away with just peeing at the second stop but it wouldn't have taken much less time and at that point i figured if i was going to stop, i might as well get whatever was in there out to minimize the chances of a third stop.

it sucks to think that i could have run 3:05 official and even sub-3:05 on my watch if not for my stupid bladder. gonna have to do some research around that. IIRC, i never had to use the bathroom during the 50k back in october. during the JFK i did, during the first segment.

couple other data points/reflections:
  • my right peroneal hurt and felt swollen for the first 10 km or so. my shins have been bugging me for the last week or so, which has been weird and came seemingly out of nowhere. something else to research. and my left ankle also bugged me off and on for the first 10 km. shins were also probably the most tired single muscle group at the end of the race as well, and even this morning, although overall i feel pretty good right now.
  • my intervals.icu fitness graph is interesting to look back at. in the green for pretty much all of january and february, then dipping down to blue when i got sick in early march, then back into the green for a few days before going up into the blue again during the ski trip. but then from about march 22-april 16, it's in the grey. started to dip into the blue again last weekend, as previously noted, and had just tipped into the blue on saturday, which is good. but i didn't feel as fresh as i've felt at other times. that shin feeling is part of it. i know copeland says "in the green, too keen; in the gray, okay." but i kind of felt like i was gaining more fitness during the early going and the graph seems to bear that out.
also, i just revised my threshold pace down to 4:03, from 4:12. the latter was probably too conservative, 4:03 is what my watch estimates for me right now and it is spot-on with predicted race times (1:28:09, 3:06:16 full; bathroom breaks be damned), so i'll go with that.
  • i basically stopped strength training or doing any kind of soft tissue work at least a month before the race. that's probably not ideal.
  • mileage averaged 72 km/45 miles per week, against a plan target of 85/53. i also never actually reached the peak mileage, getting close to 100 km a few times early on but never crossing it. that includes the ski week, which i knew about going in, and also getting sick for a few days in march. but mileage dropped significantly in the last 6-7 weeks, especially the two weeks leading up to the half. it looks like that basically explains the transition from green to gray on the intervals.icu training graph, which i suppose makes sense. on the plus side, apart from the illness and the ski trip, i only skipped two planned training days. never got hurt during the block and so i think in the next build i could shoot for higher mileage overall. and i think it's time to just switch to running every day. that will make it easier to raise weekly mileage and also reduce the impact of missing the odd day.

long story short: i'm glad to have done it and given it what i had. some things to figure out for the next one. and now, i'm even more motivated than before to break 3 hours.

as a side note, the winner ran 2:05, a huge course record. glass city is usually pretty fast for a mid-sized (~5,000 runners between the half and the full) race: the announcer at the start said about a third of entrants usually qualify for boston. but not that fast. impressive! and unlike the kenyans who just destroyed the WR in london, he's probably not juiced to the gills.

ETA: just signed up for the richmond marathon on november 14. it's a "local" - richmond is about 2.5 hours away - so i know a lot of people who have done it and everyone loves it. reddit, too. seven-ish months to see if i can knock 8 minutes off my time from toledo, including four months with an infant. let's go. 
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27-04-26

Run -- 9.48k, 54:50

Notes

Legs a bit heavy/sore, but still 5:47 pace and 127 HR. Woop woop.

Going to need to come up with some new routes or just embrace the amount of looping of the park i'm going to have to do

eta: signed up for a 10k in july and half in sept, both in london. looked at the amsterdam half b/c would like to travel for a race at some point, but already sold out. should poke around to see what looks interesting in late winter/early spring 2027, i guess
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 26, 2026, 08:59:55 am »
26-04-26

Run -- 13.56k, 1:17:30

Notes

Kept it a little shorter just to play it safe, but actually felt pretty good, could easily have been my normal run length I think. Legs and body definitely tired upon waking up and starting to move aroudn, but once I got out the door it was all A-OK (evinced by pace/hr, esp as i did this run around noon so it was 'hot' for me)

83k, 7h16m. 3k further but 20 mins less time on feet than previous biggest week. Will aim for closer to get 7.5 hours on feet this week, plus another 20k session on the Saturday, so should be 85k+. Then week after probably just a normal NSW week to begin the taper. Hype hype.

Bit of knee twinge in am but not while running. Keeping an eye on that.

also, wow wtf that london marathon, might have to get me a pair of these: https://news.adidas.com/running/adidas-unveils-its-first-sub-100-gram-supershoe--the-adizero-adios-pro-evo-3/s/ded7b6a2-952a-4246-b675-4129f78787c4
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 25, 2026, 07:26:20 am »
25-04-26

AM:

Run
- w/u
- 16k @ 97% HM [4:15 average]
- c/d

21.19k, 1:38:14

PM:

Lift
RDL, Calves, Rev Nord, some KB stuff, chins, dips, curls, laterals
foam rolling (!!)

Notes

Well well well. That felt _great_. Didn't even touch 170 HR until KM 12, and only average 170 for 2 KM (final 2 were both 169) and max HR was 174 (and I'm fairly certain at this point that LTHR is 175-177, based on 5k, 10k, and HM data). Set a 10 mile PB (1:08:36, vs 1;08:45 that I ran in the half 6 months ago), and RPE was very moderate -- maybe lower than last Saturday's big workout!? Avg temp was 16 C during this run, too, so warmest run I've dealt with. All signs are looking positive!

Took 70g carbs during this run (40g via gel, 30g via my water).

Read a useful John Davis article last night (https://runningwritings.com/2025/07/sub-70-half-marathon-training.html), so took inspiration from there for this workout. I guess next Saturday I'll do something like the "5 × (3 km at 100% HMP, 1 km at 85–90% HMP)" workout that he describes, though maybe not quite as intense as that. Will see how I feel.

Tomorrow's run probably won't be a full LR, though we'll see how the legs feel.

ETA: left calf felt pretty stiff so managed to motivate self to get up and do some lifting. decided even to foam roll a bit. felt a lot better after! and tbh wasn't feeling that bad before -- agai, much better than I felt after last week's workout
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 24, 2026, 01:21:00 pm »
24-04-26

Run -- 10.21k, 56:11

Notes

!!! 5:30 pace, 130 avg HR, like a full 30s/km faster than usual. No GPS fuckery as far as I can tell either, and this is while carrying about as much fatigue as I ever have. The fitness might truly, finally be coming all in one go? will see how this weekend goes, too

i have been making an effort this week to get in more carbs/food in general which could be a factor, plus some life stress has been alleviating itself, and also now just under 2 weeks since the 10k, so gains from that manifesting?

trying to decide what tomorrow's big workout should be, will peruse the john davis book, i guess.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on April 24, 2026, 08:21:37 am »
- run 55:18, 10.00 km w/ 4 x 20s strides + 1 x 20s strides
the last stride rep was to beat a red light at the most annoying road crossing on this route. fairly steep downhill on that one. time to pack and then hit the road.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« Last post by Dreyth on April 23, 2026, 05:01:53 pm »
that is weird, man! have you seen a doctor? you were quite strong back in the day, could be all kinds of physiological reasons for a long-term limitation like that. anemia, low testosterone, maybe hypothyroidism?

Probably low test. I should get it tested as well as my thyroid, good idea. Changed up my diet recently and getting more sunlight. Lots of healthy fats like olive oil, good quality raw milk and fresh cream, lamb meat/fat. Watermelon and sunflower seeds. Seems to be helping for now, making steady progress and feeling excited to lift in the manner where you know you will be stronger than last workout
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on April 23, 2026, 01:21:11 pm »
23-04-26

Run
- w/u
- 5 x 6' (1') [4:09 average]
- c/d

11.64k, 56:44

Notes

so-so workout, but knee feeling basically fine today at least
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