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TKXII

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Avishek Drops
« on: August 03, 2013, 08:22:30 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FXT2YB_6ow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FXT2YB_6ow</a>

KB swinging jump vid coming soon.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 09:17:52 pm »
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I always wondered what avishek drops were, now i know. can't wait to see the kettle bell jumps.

I see you have a long ammortization phase, how does that help? you practically absorb all the force and then jump.
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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2013, 05:50:41 am »
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Um... when I saw the staircase to the right I thought you were going to use that.

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 10:22:59 am »
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it also looks like maybe you had kettlebell jumps in your mind that's why from 1:01 to 1:10 you land with you hands between your legs as if holding a kettlebell and that's why you jumped forward, maybe you were showing a depth jump holding a kettlebell (even though) you weren't to a kettlebell swing jump.
the force would be greater.
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So, verily, with every difficulty, there is relief.
Holy Quran 94:5
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 10:27:59 am »
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lol I landed like that and jumped forward because it was just a bad landing lol!

And sorry raptor in the future I'll do that :)

But in the video where I performed the original avishekdrop it was from the same height, in fact in this video it's even higher.

I always wondered what avishek drops were, now i know. can't wait to see the kettle bell jumps.

I see you have a long ammortization phase, how does that help? you practically absorb all the force and then jump.

Lol...avishekdrops are actually a joke but they can and will improve explosiveness. ANd avishekdrops are actually just depth drops form a high height but in this video I added the depth jump to it too. so it's an avishekdropjump i guess.

Well... it's like doing jump squats with a long amortization phase, there is just more force to absorb and jump up with. So it takes longer. In a mini depth jump there is less force, and so less time is needed, and this can make you faster.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 11:17:34 am »
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Actually, you can recruit all your motor neurons from doing 80%+ of 1RM squats, so the need of doing depth jumps knowing that is SEVERELY overrated.

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2013, 03:42:14 pm »
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Actually, you can recruit all your motor neurons from doing 80%+ of 1RM squats, so the need of doing depth jumps knowing that is SEVERELY overrated.

really?

I think depth jumps are overrated too. I think jump squats can accomplish the same type of eccentric force absorption that depth drops are supposed to, it's all about gravity after all right?

For example, sometimes when I go do sprints on the track the fence is locked so I hop over. After I climb to the top and put my leg over sometimes i jump from there, it's a good depth drop, my hips are at about 7+ feet I'd say. When I used to do 185lbs jump squats back in the day WAY before I could even squat 2x bw, I could EASILY land in a half squat position from that drop.

Doing more depth drops also helps me land more easily form that drop... but when I wasn't doing any plyos and was squatting often, I couldn't land it like that, I just landed in a deep squat.

But I think that ability whatever it is is very useful for jumping but depth jumps aren't necessary. And the way more people perform depth jumps, off of very low heights, is probably useless. I prefer single legged depth jumps only. But since I made this video i'll do these more consistently too.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 05:00:20 pm »
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Well you get more calf involvement in the depth jump than in the jump squat since you have to take in a landing before jumping.

Also, after you take in the landing at an overloaded weight you can jump with only your bodyweight.

So it's a overloaded eccentric coupled with a bodyweight jump squat.

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 06:22:54 pm »
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And the winner is... Lance's 1-2 jump squat!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfjZkOnKVM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfjZkOnKVM</a>

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showing the difference on the tendo unit between the traditional jumpsquat (1st) and the reactive 1-2 jump squat (2nd). The 1-2 (2nd) gave between .3-.5 m/s faster, consistently giving a more explosive and powerful result. This version is very beneficial to 2leg rvj as well as svj.
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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 06:25:27 pm »
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Yes, I have incorporated the 1-2 jump squat in my routine for quite a while.

By the way - I haven't seen Lance around here in a while. Any idea of his whereabouts?

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 08:53:11 pm »
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this makes sense.

When I do jump squats I often do the first rep at a 1/2 squat (pretty low actually right above parallel), then immediately upon foot contact on the landing, do a little ankle hop rebound or a 1/4 squat quick jump. haven't been consistent but it of course feels so much better, it adds that depth jump element to it.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Avishek Drops
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 12:23:09 pm »
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Yes, I have incorporated the 1-2 jump squat in my routine for quite a while.

By the way - I haven't seen Lance around here in a while. Any idea of his whereabouts?

seconded.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses