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on the soccer thing: sure, most kids in the world who like to play sports and probably lots that don't grow up loving soccer. but soccer requires a narrow range of body types and a very specific set of athletic characteristics for elite performance. weightlifting requires a very different profile. so it's not like soccer is stealing away all those kids who go on to become hossein rezazedeh.

on the gymnastics thing: you're putting the cart before the horse there somewhat, i think. there are lots of gyms for gymnastics but not as many for weightlifting, therefore more parents send their kids to gymnastics. but why are there more gyms for gymnastics in the first place? gymnastics is, if anything, more technically difficult than weightlifting and definitely more restrictive of body type than soccer.

i don't think lifting is a fringe sport in places like bulgaria and greece. anyway, it's less of a fringe sport in those countries than it is here, anyway. it's not fringe in iran, where rezazedeh is a national hero whose wedding was broadcast on state tv.

the us has more than enough athletic people to support a world-class weightlifting team. sure, lots of our top athletes go on to play professional football and that shrinks the pool. but throwing is a fringe sport in this country and we still manage to produce world-class throwers, who are football-player-sized and might otherwise be offensive linemen.

part of the problem with the "better alternatives" argument is that half of the weightlifters in the olympics are women. last time i checked there's never been a single female football player in the history of the NFL and maybe one or two in high-level college (as kickers). so why do our big girls suck at lifting, too? there has to be something else going on.

i don't know why we suck at olympic lifting, but i suspect it has to do with a combination of
1. lack of interest/availability of more appealing alternatives. that is, basically what everyone has said. more little athletic kids DO end up as gymnasts and more big athletic kids DO end up playing football.
2. several decades of incoherent and often stupid training methodology throughout sports in general and for weightlifting in particular. (this is primarily what the cherniga series is about.)

i'm rambling and not entirely sure that was all coherent. it's an interesting question.

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It's not really necessary to compare the numbers of the NBA and NFL players.  NBA players play 82 game long seasons (well prob not this year) on 12 man teams where injury prevention is much more important than standing vertical jump.  The point is not that NFL or NBA players are great athletes in so far as their vertical jump or sprint speed but that the NFL and NBA take attract a large percentage of talented youth who could otherwise go on to find success in athletics or weightlifting.  This is indisputable.  Reggie Bush was a mid 10 100m runner, Nate Robinson was a talented 110 hurdler, Javhid Best ran mid 20.x in the 200m, all in high school.  I ran against some of these guys.  The showed promise, but I guarantee none of them could outperform their high school PR's  today.  That's because the NFL and the NBA don't make you better at running 100m or 200m or hurdling.  They are great athletes because they displayed impressive times at a young age and with limited training.  It's impossible to say which of them would have gone on to world-class performance because you really never know... In athletics some people peak at 18 some people at 36.   

However, it's not a reach by any stretch to say that a great many athletes who are either in the NFL or NBA (or attempting to make pro-careers out of basketball or american football) could have gone on to great careers in athletics.  The US has an incredible amount of ethnic diversity, areas with great weather, lots of money for sports, and well over 300 million people.   If the US had the type of cultural focus on athletics that Caribbean countries have you wouldn't see a country with 2.8 million people (Jamaica) out-representing the US in the 100m and matching in the 200m. 

all true. still doesn't answer the question of why we suck at olympic lifting, although the lack of cultural emphasis is certainly part of it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: September 16, 2011, 12:24:25 am »
not enough veggies today or in general. otherwise diet has been pretty good.


ADD THIS NOTE TO EVERY POST SO YOU KEEP REMEMBERING: JUMP EVERY WORKOUT. IF THERE'S NO SPACE, FIND SPACE.

FOAM ROLL BEFORE EVERY WORKOUT, LACROSSE/TENNIS BALL SMR AFTER EVERY WORKOUT.

STANDING QUAD/HAM/CALF/ITB/PEC STRETCHING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, EVERY HOUR OR SO.

KEEP SWEETS TO A MINIMUM. MOAR PROTEIN. MOAR VEGGIES.


BW = ???
SORENESS = none
ACHES/INJURIES = left hip, right big toe
FATIGUE = low

- warm up

- sprint 4 x 10y
not as fast as the other day, toe was bugging

- DSVJ x 5-6

- DLRVJ x 10-12
not great but not awful. left hip started hurting so i stopped. the hip pain is familiar, i had similar pain like four months ago. i think it's from planting. need to figure out what to do about that because i'm not gonna start planting RL.

- speed line hops 3 x 10s/e
22,22,22

- MR half tucks 3 x 20

- power snatch 6 x 1 x 40kg
very light, form still sucks. did a lot of reps with much lighter weight, as well. i like snatching, it's fun. gonna keep doing this and progress weights slowly over time. in the long run i think it'll be better than jump squatting although i'll probably keep doing some of that, too.

- squat MSEM 2 x 3
295, 2 x 300 == left hip bugging, did not do third rep although these were even easier than the first set at 295

- OHP x 5/3/F
95, 105, 6 x 115 == had another in the tank

- chin up x 8,8,10

- stretch

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: General Strength Training Principles
« on: September 15, 2011, 03:44:32 pm »
video is private

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: weighted vests
« on: September 15, 2011, 03:43:55 pm »
Do you guys believe it prevents natural movement in the purest sense.



anything short of nudity prevents natural movement. we've been fucked on that score since we left eden.

Genesis 3:6-13 (KJV)

Quote
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done?

And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Olympic lifting shoes
« on: September 15, 2011, 10:01:49 am »
can do it, no problem. i'll pm you in a little bit.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: September 14, 2011, 09:37:27 am »

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: September 13, 2011, 09:50:27 pm »

ADD THIS NOTE TO EVERY POST SO YOU KEEP REMEMBERING: JUMP EVERY WORKOUT. IF THERE'S NO SPACE, FIND SPACE.

FOAM ROLL BEFORE EVERY WORKOUT, LACROSSE/TENNIS BALL SMR AFTER EVERY WORKOUT.

STANDING QUAD/HAM/CALF/ITB/PEC STRETCHING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, EVERY HOUR OR SO.

KEEP SWEETS TO A MINIMUM. MOAR PROTEIN. MOAR VEGGIES.


BW = ???
SORENESS = none
ACHES/INJURIES = left hip, right big toe
FATIGUE = low to moderate

- warm up

- sprints 4 x 15y
felt pretty fast, actually

- DSVJ submax x 8

- DLRVJ x ~15
low, 30-31, but i'm not too pissed about it

- MR half tuck x 20,15,15

- jump squat 3 x 3 x 95
(was supposed to do 3 x 2, oops)

- squat MSEM 2 x 3 x 285
speedy and strong

- OHP x 3,3,F
85, 95, 8 x 105

- chin up x 8,8,8
weak last set

- stretch

not a bad workout, all in all. more sleep tonight than past two nights.

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We can't be good at every sport. I bet we don't even have our "potentially" fastest athletes in sprinting. And I agree with bball2020. I don't see how you think he's joking unless you are reading what he is saying incorrectly. He's not saying we suck at any sport besides basketball/football, he's saying if we do suck it's because our top athletes are playing other sports.

i hope you're both trolling me because it's almost working.

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US sucks at any sport because the best athletes play football or basketball, for the most part

i hope you're joking.

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That site needs a major redesign and readability isn't working. Will attempt to read despite eye pain.

true and true.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / sportivny press
« on: September 13, 2011, 01:46:20 pm »
so i may be several decades behind the times here, but sportivny press turns out to have a lot of awesome content, including an awesome demolition of mike barwis and the s&c coaches at msu and the lions: http://sportivnypress.com/documents/44.html

anyway, check it out: http://sportivnypress.com/

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lack of popularity hurts, but it doesn't explain why we rapidly went from dominant in the 30's, 40's and 50's to completely irrelevant starting in the mid-60's.

i repeat: interesting articles are interesting.

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For those of you that follow him, no, this is not a post about Lyle's interminable amateur anthropological examination of sports success and failure. I love the guy's writing and he knows a shit ton more than I ever will about training and nutrition but god damn, is that series a waste of time.

Rather, this is to link to a 6-part article that Lyle links to in one part of his series, entitled "There Is No System" and written by Andrew Charniga, Jr. It's here: http://sportivnypress.com/documents/51.html

Lot of food for thought about training methodologies, especially w/r/t isometric and general strength/bodybuilding training for athletics.

Enjoy.

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Any Help Would Be Great
« on: September 13, 2011, 12:16:42 pm »
some high-fiber foods include:

apples
bananas
oatmeal
beans
lentils
broccoli


google is your friend.

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