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Quote from: Cloud3205 on November 22, 2010, 01:38:44 am

So was Louie receptive to your ideas?  I am sure there are few in the United States that are stronger than those WSB guys on the three major lifts, but as far as VJ goes, I mean they are too massive to even move all that weight to be among the best leapers.

  My "ideas" were just valid points that he didnt disagree with, the thing that alot of people misunderstand about Louie is he doesnt care about vertical jump nearly as much as alot of us do, if you gave him a choice of increasing someones svj by 10 inches or increasing their box squat 50lbs, hed take the box squat no question. 

  Alot of those guys have too much bodyfat to optimize jumping, but the main difference is they dont really train for jumping at all, all of the explosive and dynamic exercises are done to improve rfd in the LIFTS, not a vertical jump.  Powerlifting is NOT jump training, just like jump training is not powerlifting.

11/21/2010

BW = 150.8 <-- funny, carb depleted, feeling weak but looking lean, 2 days ago after carb'n up i was 155
soreness = hamstrings slightly, calfs slightly
aches/injuries = back still
fatigue = feel mad shitty

diet = protein shake, 4 pieces of pizza + salad + chocolates + 2 pieces of cake, training, protein shake + 4 bananas, protein shake + 4 bananas




workout:
- mr tuck: 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5
- dips: 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10

tuck jumps felt insanely explosive, took me a while to get into the workout, very long warmup, like 30 minutes of progressive warming up.. but once i got into the tucks at max effort, i had some insane pop.. tomorrow is actually looking promising, didn't think so before workout.

dips were very weak..

hopefully i can sleep around 4:30am and wakeup at 12:30am, that'd be great.




i challenged kingfish to a vert challenge, i told him i'd hit head on rim before he hits 40 SVJ.. letz see wut goes down.

he's at 38 SVJ max, i'm at ~39 RVJ max.. tomorrow im going to jump good though because he pissed me off badly, but we're cool, he's my boi.. i'll probably put his squat video on my ipod because i get so angry watching his squat videos, because it takes ~30-45s for the first rep to happen after he walks the bar out.. that should result in some PR's if i watch that shit before jumping

peace

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Weightlifting full squats demand a degree of mobility far beyond that which is required during the execution of most sport acts and certainly far beyond the working range of many athletes who might otherwise enjoy a full sporting career never having been cut short because they do not possess the requisite flexibility to squat like a weightlifter with limit loads.

The majority of non-weightlifters, in fact, would be foolish to risk the possible structural trauma that is presented as part of a cumulative result of squatting maximal loads through the entire amplitude concurrently with varied gradations of sport practice.

Anyone who states the contrary cannot possibly understand the training problems inherent to working with athletes year round whose practice of SPP yields a high structural demand to the legs and knees specifically.

This quote tells me, that Mr. Smith is unable to teach an athlete a full squat. It does not even have to tell me, he basically even said so himself since he believes that most athletes that seek his advice are not flexible enough to do more than a half squat. Can someone please tell me why we should even read beyond that? Or am I misinterpreting things? If so I apologize, since I find that post to be adding very little of substance to the discussion.

Other than this, since I openly admit not to have the experience of coaching anyone let alone athletes whose practice of SPP yields high structural demand to legs and knees, I will ask YOU, bb2020, since you posted this quote, to elaborate on the topic of the risk of structural trauma that presents itself from full squatting + sports, but not with half squatting + sports.

And if the argument runs that the difference is in lifting submaximal loads instead of maximal loads: Who here is planning to do that exclusively? I am sincerely interested since I will follow that training log very mindfully.