Author Topic: chasing athleticism  (Read 282592 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4680 on: February 12, 2019, 02:00:36 am »
+1
Bodyweight(AM): 87.4kg (12 Feb)
Diet compliance: 8/8 days
Daily Squat: 87/87 days
Daily OHP: 10/10 days
Daily Cardio: 5/8 days
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5, 7x140(PR)
   OHP 8x40, 6x57.5
   DB incline BP 8x20, 8x25kg (new exercise)
   Dips 12xBW(90kgish)   

Evening:
  


Notes:
  • Realising im completely sedentary except when im doing exercise. Will try to keep an eye on daily steps and get my average step count per hour up. Exercise step count is not enough .. it has to come from an absence of inactivity + exercise to get some favourable changes in bodycomp and fitness. That's def an area i can address from here. It can be anything, dribbling a ball, going for a short walk, shadow fighting, shooting hoops, even just socialising etc
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 04:20:26 am by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4681 on: February 13, 2019, 06:01:03 am »
+3
Bodyweight(AM): 87.4kg (13 Feb)
Diet compliance: 9/9 days
Daily Squat: 88/88 days
Daily OHP: 11/11 days
Daily Cardio: 5/9 days
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5, 7x142.5(PR)
   OHP 8x40, 6x60(PR)

Evening:
  


Notes:
  • Good run of squat PRs even when limiting food. Long it may continue
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4682 on: February 13, 2019, 09:43:35 pm »
+2
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (14 Feb)
Diet compliance: 10/10 days
Daily Squat: 89/89 days
Daily OHP: 12/12 days
Daily Cardio: 5/10 days
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5, 7x145(PR)
   OHP 8x40
   Chinup 5xBW
   Dips 13xBW(PR?)
   Cool down ~ 10 mins (deep slow breathing etc)

Evening:
  


Notes:
  • Might be time soon for the next reset, i need to build up some reserve reps to tackle the end goal of 150kg for 8. Then i'll put this on maintenance.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2019, 05:09:25 am by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4683 on: February 14, 2019, 10:10:38 pm »
0
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (15 Feb)
Diet compliance: 11/11 days
Daily Squat: 90/90 days
Daily OHP: 13/13 days
Daily Cardio: 5/11 days
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5
   OHP 3x62.5
   DBOHP 8x25
   Dips 14xBW(PR?)

Evening:
  


Notes:
  • smh 88kg is too damn heavy
« Last Edit: February 15, 2019, 10:32:58 am by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4684 on: February 15, 2019, 09:36:16 pm »
+2
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (16 Feb)
Diet compliance: 12/12 days
Daily Squat: 91/91 days
Daily OHP: 14/14 days
Daily Cardio: 6/12 days
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x152.5 7x147.5(PR)
   OHP 8x40, DBOHP 8x20
   Dips 16xBW(PR)   

Evening:
   Run ~ 5km  


Notes:
  • goign to try force a cardio session .. feels it's been ages
  • Tested my vertical today. I got a clean 25" .. holy shit daily squatting fucking sucks for vertical lmao .. or i got old. o both?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2019, 10:51:39 am by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 30461
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7447
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4685 on: February 16, 2019, 06:04:28 pm »
+1
squatting and jumping are very different.. :derp: need to jump more if you care about it.

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4686 on: February 17, 2019, 10:34:04 pm »
0
squatting and jumping are very different.. :derp: need to jump more if you care about it.

in my n=1 experience squatting and jumping are the same. i could go months without jumping and as long as i was squatting i'd be able to jump 5% within my previous levels. If i practice jumping movement efficiency will bring back the remaining 5%. Past experience. But i haven't got over 32" in a year so it might be that i just got old
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4687 on: February 17, 2019, 10:36:02 pm »
0
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (17 Feb)
Diet compliance: 13/13 days
Daily Squat: 92/92 days
Daily OHP: 15/15 days
Daily Cardio: 6/13 days
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 1x120, 1x140
   OHP 8x40,
   QL assistance (pallof presses & 1arm suitcases)   

Evening:
    


Notes:
  • Took a recovery day - knees were beat af. Did a paused 140kg and loaded up 150kg but decided against it in the end, would have been too draining
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4688 on: February 17, 2019, 10:37:51 pm »
0
Bodyweight(AM): 88.4kg (18 Feb)
Diet compliance: 14/14 days
Daily Squat: 93/93 days
Daily OHP: 16/16 days
Daily Cardio: 6/14 days
Daily Act: 6.5
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x155
   OHP 8x40, DBOHP 5x27.5
   Dips 8xBW
   Chinup 6xBW   

Evening:
    


Notes:
  • Right well .. i think time to do that final reset. Im considering going down to  12x132.5kg PR today and then progress up to 150kg. Not sure if i'll be able to get 12 though, but let's see. I just need a couple of reps reserve to get 8x150kg at the end. If i add 2.5kg every session i should be back up to 150kg in a week. lol.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 05:51:04 am by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4689 on: February 18, 2019, 10:01:25 pm »
0
Bodyweight(AM): 88.1kg (19 Feb)
Diet compliance: 15/15 days
Daily Squat: 94/94 days
Daily OHP: 17/17 days
Daily Cardio: 6/15 days
Daily Act:
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 1x155, 12x132.5(PR)
   OHP 4x61

Evening:
    


Notes:
  • Am sick of squats. I have yet to see any benefit whatsover from daily squatting apart from being better at squatting (marginally) and plenty of downsides. This has been a huge disappointment so far.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 05:32:22 am by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

LBSS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11434
  • plugging away...
  • Respect: +6068
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4690 on: February 19, 2019, 10:29:26 am »
+2
you PR nearly every workout. also, training is about overreaching and then supercompensating while you back off. i bet if you gave yourself a bit of time off you could hit a huge PR. it's why i've been secretly hoping for KF to sign up for a PL comp and actually take a few days off for once. i bet he could hit 600.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

handstand + backflip + flag

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 30461
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7447
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4691 on: February 19, 2019, 01:36:05 pm »
+1
you PR nearly every workout.

tons of PR's. his use of "marginal" seems inaccurate, afaik.

Quote
also, training is about overreaching and then supercompensating while you back off. i bet if you gave yourself a bit of time off you could hit a huge PR.

jump pr, dno - unless he jumps more.

seems like when he's jumping more, jumps are decent. remember lots of vids of him really getting up, and that was during the daily squatting experiment.

as for big squat PR, ya I imagine so. but, maxent's diet fluctuates so much that it risks keeping him in "limbo", IMHO. i still don't really get it. I mean if I were maxent i'd be trying to achieve the lower body of an NFL defensive back/sprinter -> huge glutes/quads/hamstrings. The diet fluctuations are constantly in conflict with that, in my opinion. Put slabs of mass on the lower body, it'll make you ripped all over & improve relative strength/power.

i mean that's what i'd be obsessed with if i was into dunking/jumping/basketball performance. my legs were huge back when I was doing daily squatting/heavy high rep squatting etc. i was more ripped back then than from running. just so much more lean mass to feed.. even though I was still only ~145-150 lb.

Quote
it's why i've been secretly hoping for KF to sign up for a PL comp and actually take a few days off for once. i bet he could hit 600.

he def can get the cali squat record lol.


Quote
Notes:
  • Am sick of squats. I have yet to see any benefit whatsover from daily squatting apart from being better at squatting (marginally) and plenty of downsides. This has been a huge disappointment so far.

seems like you're putting too much hope into the squat itself. it's just a daily anabolic stimulus, which also heavily targets the anti-gravity muscles.

i mean i always personally thought of it as "taking my vitamins". I used it to increase aggressiveness, leg strength, leg mass, etc. But then I got my jumps/sprints/reactive work in etc, to tie it all together.

pc!

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4692 on: February 19, 2019, 10:52:19 pm »
0
Bodyweight(AM): 87.8kg (20 Feb)
Diet compliance: 16/16 days
Daily Squat: 95/95 days
Daily OHP: 18/18 days
Daily Cardio: 6/16 days
Daily Act:
Basketball skill work:

Morning:
    

Noon:
   

Evening:
    


Notes:
  • had a head ache since last night
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 11:11:40 pm by maxent »
Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

maxent

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2473
  • Respect: +1604
    • View Profile
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4693 on: February 19, 2019, 11:09:34 pm »
0
you PR nearly every workout. also, training is about overreaching and then supercompensating while you back off. i bet if you gave yourself a bit of time off you could hit a huge PR. it's why i've been secretly hoping for KF to sign up for a PL comp and actually take a few days off for once. i bet he could hit 600.

i dont think we (ppl who train daily) see it the same way as people who train less frequently. the idea of 'taking a few days off' just becomes unthinkable, it becomes habit in a way you can't really understand until you've done it, compulsive even. ive been compelled to go and squat (heavy) even on days ive felt rough, sick, days ive checked myself out of hospital (lol) and logically it would have been beneficial to skip. And what good is that kind of peaking .. to jump higher, what if you don't even get much benefit .. you lost valuable training time for something you worked hard to build/maintain. But in it and itself ive definitely lost the belief for squatting i previously held .. if you practice it you get good at it and that's about the extent of it, have not seem benefits outside the squat platform.

it reminds me of a conversation we had in this log where todday told me something i didn't agree with. That the only valuable gains that come out of squatting are the ones which involve putting on muscle. And that's it, if there is no hypertrophy .. there is no benefit outside squatting. He ...... was right. In my experience daily squatting doesn't work because i think it actually limits hypertrophy (and even possibly more than that it reduces muscle mass?!) but you get good at squatting so logically you believe if im getting good at squatting more weights for more reps then i must be on the right track. Not srue about that now. It's just neural conditioning, over-specialising in the worst possible way to give the least possible benefit from a GPP perspective.

seems like when he's jumping more, jumps are decent. remember lots of vids of him really getting up, and that was during the daily squatting experiment.

really can't remember how that felt. it was a year ago i was still getting up .. i would step on the gym scales at 95kg and i coudl still hit 36" jumps .. that's basically rec league zion level compared to what im at now .. strugglign to get 27" (below palm touch on the rim). not even close to 27" .. 25" if im being generous. at that time i wasn't doing daily squatting, dabbling with eod squatting BUT with the caveat i had build my strength up with HIGH volume .. once a week high volume workouts of 10-20 sets of heavy 5s .. that worked better i think because it put more muscle on my body .. daily squatting has not done that at all, in fact i'd suggest the opposite .. the body gets so efficient that it can do more with less. I think even back then i wasn't in danger of putting on slabs of muscle .. there is a natural limit to that and ive probably far surpassed it already.

would do anything to get another tomahawk dunk. another 36"+ jump. but just don't see it now ..

Training for sub 20 5K & 40" RVJ & 170kg BS @ 85kg bw. log entry template

adarqui

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 30461
  • who run it.
  • Respect: +7447
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4694 on: February 20, 2019, 12:06:28 am »
+2
you PR nearly every workout. also, training is about overreaching and then supercompensating while you back off. i bet if you gave yourself a bit of time off you could hit a huge PR. it's why i've been secretly hoping for KF to sign up for a PL comp and actually take a few days off for once. i bet he could hit 600.

i dont think we (ppl who train daily) see it the same way as people who train less frequently. the idea of 'taking a few days off' just becomes unthinkable, it becomes habit in a way you can't really understand until you've done it, compulsive even.

it's called discipline. if you want to peak, you have to rest.

if you can't take a few days off then you're not training for performance, you're just training to keep a streak going etc. the cool kids can't take days off. people who are obsessed with actually getting results can.

Quote
ive been compelled to go and squat (heavy) even on days ive felt rough, sick, days ive checked myself out of hospital (lol) and logically it would have been beneficial to skip. And what good is that kind of peaking .. to jump higher, what if you don't even get much benefit .. you lost valuable training time for something you worked hard to build/maintain.

if you think taking a few days off to "recover for some peak jumps" will have a detrimental effect on your performance, then you're sadly losing the psychological battle.

you're saying things a noob would say, no offense.

Quote
But in it and itself ive definitely lost the belief for squatting i previously held .. if you practice it you get good at it and that's about the extent of it, have not seem benefits outside the squat platform.

it reminds me of a conversation we had in this log where todday told me something i didn't agree with. That the only valuable gains that come out of squatting are the ones which involve putting on muscle. And that's it, if there is no hypertrophy .. there is no benefit outside squatting. He ...... was right.

i doubt he'd agree with that. i'm sure he'd agree that neural-gain lifting has it's place.

Quote
In my experience daily squatting doesn't work because i think it actually limits hypertrophy (and even possibly more than that it reduces muscle mass?!) but you get good at squatting so logically you believe if im getting good at squatting more weights for more reps then i must be on the right track. Not srue about that now. It's just neural conditioning, over-specialising in the worst possible way to give the least possible benefit from a GPP perspective.

you're out of your mind.

daily squatting limits hypertrophy? reduces muscle mass? what the fuck?

cutting calories prevents hypertrophy.

you cut calories more than you squat.

Quote
seems like when he's jumping more, jumps are decent. remember lots of vids of him really getting up, and that was during the daily squatting experiment.

really can't remember how that felt. it was a year ago i was still getting up .. i would step on the gym scales at 95kg and i coudl still hit 36" jumps .. that's basically rec league zion level compared to what im at now .. strugglign to get 27" (below palm touch on the rim). not even close to 27" .. 25" if im being generous. at that time i wasn't doing daily squatting, dabbling with eod squatting BUT with the caveat i had build my strength up with HIGH volume .. once a week high volume workouts of 10-20 sets of heavy 5s .. that worked better i think because it put more muscle on my body .. daily squatting has not done that at all, in fact i'd suggest the opposite .. the body gets so efficient that it can do more with less. I think even back then i wasn't in danger of putting on slabs of muscle .. there is a natural limit to that and ive probably far surpassed it already.


lol @ natural limit. you aren't even close to any natural limits.. and that's a compliment.

if that works better than maybe get back on it.

just stop doing all this recomp shit. stop cutting. that approach is so toxic to athletic performance.

heavy lifting & obsession with skinny-fatness / calorie cutting don't usually work well together.

eat to grow but train so hard that you can't become a blob, it's a simple formula.

i'm pointing out nutrition because it's important not to sabotage lifting by calorie cutting. it seems to be a theme.

Quote
would do anything to get another tomahawk dunk. another 36"+ jump. but just don't see it now ..

you'd do anything other than jumping frequently, apparently. lol. :ninja:

just my 2cents/trying to help.

pc.